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I get what you’re saying but I get the feeling that isn’t how Klopp operates. He mentioned in the summer that people asking for whoever to be transferred doesn’t realise the quality Liverpool already have. By this I mean Origi and Brewster. Origi I think we all know about but it’s safe to say Brewsters start has been underwhelming. But if we bought a 18 year old for 40 million would we not give them a bedding in period? Should Brewster also be afforded this after a horrific injury?
He was hugely thought of before the injury and I’d expect him to play more as the season progresses. It’s still early and the front 3 do not need rotating in my view.
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I note the media are trying to whip us all up in a frenzy about Pep and Klopp. I am sure they are both having a smile and dinner with each other…” English media again” the topic.
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Brian, you’re absolutely right. I’m not allowing myself to enter what’s been reported to try and cause a stir.
Online and YouTube especially, you can quite easily stumble across a ‘Studio’. They’ve obviously copied Sky’s idea, yet any highlights they try and relay for exposure is blurred because they know it’s some sort of a broadcasting infringement.
Too many too choose from. I am more towards yourself in just paying attention to the actual game on the day between 22 men.
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C67, haha, not in our best interests to think that far ahead, but I do appreciate where you’re coming from.
One match at a time 🙂
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So another game when Keita fails to grab his opportunity. Read on the Champions League thread that there’s a few unhappy with him and I can understand why. It’s frustrating as I can see a player in there, he just needs to grab a game by the balls and impose himself. Too many times he just drifts in and out of games.
I disagree that he is finished at Liverpool however. For one thing, he won’t be sold until the summer and we have a heck of a lot of games to play in the next couple of weeks, I can see him getting a lot of game time. We need him, even if he isn’t as effective as we expect. If he continues as he is I would imagine he would be moved on. His stock is probably still fairly high and I could see him move back to Germany with Dortmund or Munich, albeit at a slight loss.
Good to see Ox getting back to form and fitness. He offers something very different to our other midfielders.
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Threeps, I don’t like were Keita plays for us. I don’t tvibk it suits his game on the left of the midfield 3.
He should be playing through the middle but we play 4-3-3 so he’s not going to play there.
He’s not doing enough though. To easily pushed off the ball.
Origi just doesn’t do enough when starting games either but the chap scores important goals. He can be very frustrating
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Not sure I’d agree with you Sean, our 3 plays pretty narrow, only when covering the left back is he expected to go wide. As one of the 2 in a 4231 he would need to play a more disciplined role and I’m not sure that would suit him.
Yesterday he did some good things in the first half. He’s got good close control and can collect the ball and go on the attack much quicker than our other midfielders. He tired a lot in the second half, can’t really use fitness as an excuse as this seem to happen in games before his injury. Maybe he just isn’t fit enough, physically and/or mentally, for the intensity that Klopp demands?
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Ye I agree about the midfielders been narrow threeps but Keita was to far left at times last night.
Did we play 4-4-2 last night though at the start?
He gets knocked off the ball to much.
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Keita was off the pace , in a very easy going game. That’s unacceptable.
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For me, the concern with Keita last night was his general desire in the game. Whilst he still chased back and what not, he just looked like a player who was chasing back because he’d been *told* to rather than because he *wanted* to. And if you look for example at the cross that led to the Genk corner that they scored from, he just made a lazy attempt to close it down. Unless he’s playing with the handbrake on to stay fit at this time, but he obviously can’t do that forever, and in any case it’s hard to buy that given Klopp only ever wants to field players who are 100% committed.
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There was another situation later on in the game where her just gave up instead of trying to win the ball, or chase it down. I cant remember specifically but I just thought “thats not good enough”. It isnt even those small things though for me, I also don’t think he’s good enough.
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Are we the best team in the PL? Honestly, I’m not sure how we’re so far ahead. I think we’re playing well below our best, consistently. I thought the same last season and we eventually kinda got more and more intense and back to our usual. I look at the City game though and Im honestly worried.
On the other hand, City are no great shakes now, besides maybe Pep, who is clearly rattled. His tactical remarks about Mane display fear. Maybe he knows best but I see little to fear from this current Liverpool side, besides maybe our mentality.
Our defence is not the same one as last season with Gomez in it, it just isn’t. Gomez isnt the same since he came back from injury. Matip has been absolutely brilliant but even with him on top form, we’re giving away more chances, without actually being stretched. This is alarming to me because it’s usually a trade-off.
Last fixture, we played this “respectful” 0-0 out. This time we’ve got to just go all out for them. They’ve fallen victim to occasion before, so let’s turn the heat up. If we don’t do this, I worry about what might happen.
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Quite frankly, I don’t really appreciate the criticism towards Naby Keita, although I do get he’s lightweight and not as aggressive.
I do see though something in him in and around the box that is going to make things happen.
Do we perhaps consider stepping out of the mind of ‘box-to-box’?
He may well just be in the thoughts of Jurgen, somebody just to Beef Up the Frontline.
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Sundays game will be fascinating viewing, will test both sides, and will thus reveal more about them and where exactly where they are. On the surface, both sides look as they were last season. City, although they’ve lost a few games, still look a very bold side capable of beating anybody, and comfortably at that. Liverpool, not quite as bold, are still looking remarkably resilient and keep finding a way to win, even if it isn’t always very comfortable and they leak a few goals. Indeed you can see why it was so close last season – two different systems, both highly effective.
If Liverpool win, it will send out a real statement and question marks will then be raised over City.
A draw will indicate both sides are pretty much as they were last season.
A City win obviously puts them right back in it and they’ll possibly move back to being favourites.
When making a prediction, for me the big question is with City. I obviously know Liverpool better and for all their faults, as I say they still look remarkably resilient. So I know what to expect. With City they’ve been a bit more inconsistent and thus a touch more harder to predict. I’m sure they’ll be well up for the game. But what is the state of their deeper mentality this season if/when they’re up against it? Sundays game should reveal a lot.
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City are no great shakes mak?They are missing huge players. Under estimate them mate at your peril. Few bad results but on their day they can smash any team chum
They battered spurs. They are a Superb team.
No idea how Sunday will go. Anfield will be rocking. 1 point out of 6 againest city last season cost us
We need to beat them Sunday in my opinion and that’s going to be very tough
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City are not the team they were the last couple of seasons. Injuries have made a massive impact but also losing Kompany I believe is huge. Not just his ability on the pitch, he would surely not be first choice but given their injuries would be needed now, but his leadership. They look vulnerable.
Sure they can turn on the style and thump someone, so can we.
No one will say Sunday will be easy, but I have a feeling Klopp will go for it sensing City are vulnerable and there for the taking.
Incidentally after this weekend we are 7 games from the having played everyone once. We will have already played all the “big 6” plus Leicester, with City our final one. City will still have to play Arsenal, Utd, Chelsea and Leicester.
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3ps, they have basically got a more harder fixture list than us going forward.
If we do win our game or if they fail to win at Anfield, it could impact their levels of confidence.
Chelsea will fancy getting a draw at the Ethiad and they at the moment are consistent and more resilient than before.
The difference for us is to be able to use last years experience and Ox is now playing regularly. He looks good. Keita and Lallana too chipping in. At the moment, we have weirdly, kryptonite instilled in us that we don’t look like loosing.
Everybody though must be switched on and focused which I’m sure they will.
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“City are no great shakes mak?They are missing huge players. Under estimate them mate at your peril. Few bad results but on their day they can smash any team chum”
Didn’t I even say that they might smash us? My point is that I don’t think either team is anywhere near their best. If we went through the games one by one, there’s a lot of supporting evidence to back up my claim. Ridiculously close calls on our side. Poor defending and nervy play from City.
Before this season it was never a “but on their day” kinda thing. It was just the way they were.
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“Quite frankly, I don’t really appreciate the criticism towards Naby Keita”
No offense but honestly Nil, too bad. I’ve never been one to tone down my opinion for the sensitivities for others and you certainly haven’t either. Some people think this is a good thing, others, bad but I’ve watched an awful lot of Keita. I’ve credited him after good performance and hoped that it was a sign of things to come. This has happened too few and also too many times, if you catch my drift.
As I think Threeps said, he’s here until at least the summer transfer window, so he has this time to change my mind. Maybe he will come good. I’ve no vendetta against him, just a lack of faith in his ability to impose himself on the PL and to even fit into our teams philosophy. I will tell you one thing, if he doesn’t get a lot better, Klopp will be shipping him out at some stage. Who knows though, maybe he;ll get more than the summer. I guess it might be hard to find someone to pay a large sum for a player who isn’t delivering.
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Nil I’ve posted a reply regarding your comment on Firmino on here to keep the exclusive Liverpool talk away from a general weekend matches thread.
With all due respect mate but I think you misunderstand that role of Firmino and maybe even Klopp’s tactics. I cannot understand anyone who would critise Firmino (for what your post indicates) as he is probably the most important part of the tactic and in my opinion always the first name on the team sheet. You’ve made a few remarks recently about having a Rush or Fowler to finish off moves and I think you like to reminisce about days long past but things have moved on since the 442 big man little man or whatever.
I don’t look at what Firmino scores, or what Salah does, or even what our much talked about midfield does. I look at what the team scores. Firmino and Salah are contributing a lot even without grabbing the goals themselves. You state a lack of firepower and sorry but that made me laugh, I think just about every team in the world would love to have our lack of firepower!
Yeah Fabinho is 6″4 I think. Great to have a tall lad in the centre for those goalie punts up fields, means he can take care of it leaving the centre backs to maintain their position.
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