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Vardy was rested and I’m sure he has recovers as he was only touch and go for last night
We are in a rut and it’s no crisis
My point was Liverpool fans asking for klopp to be sacked nine. Of course he had to be questioned about our defence. It’s absolute shite
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I think we will lose on sat then get it together starting with Moscow away.
I predicted 1-1 sat. Got last nights result totally wrong and I’m going for 2-0 Leicester
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Sean…all I can say is that I have not heard even one match going fan wanting Kopp out. Sure, some of his decisions are questioned and so they should be but I reckon it’s 99% in favour of Klopp, like you, like me. It’s the twats who like to make a stir on the phone-ins and the forums who piss me off. They can bugger off and follow Everton if they dont like what’s going on. Short memories and a pathetic need to be controversial
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Sean, Bonkers for anyone to want Klopp out. But he needs to overcome his defensive blind spot.
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Nine; My worry is it’s the same reasons why we aren’t getting the points & it doesn’t look like changing any time soon. We are atrocious at the back & lack an out & out striker to bury the chances up top. Like a few others I’ve mentioned our lack of spine & for all our flashy play we struggle to handle big or physical teams.
Those calling fop Klopp to get the boot are deluded, we won’t get a better manager than him. That said he needs to come to grips with the EPL because IMO he’s going to need more than gengenpressing if we are to progress because I think it has been figured out & teams know how to hurt us.
Maybe Klopp doesn’t have the players he needs to implement it properly but it’s not like we’ve only had a couple of windows to improve it, especially the latest window where we missed a golden opportunity to improve the squad to a level where we can compete on a couple of fronts but we let that opportunity go, & that’s on Klopp & the recruitment team. No one can tell me we couldn’t improve on what we have either._____________________________
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Oz, all good points mate perhaps Klopp’s biggest problems are in his philosophy to attack over defence and his commitment and his ability in defensive Coaching and in organising his defence.
Throwing new players at the problem will help but it’s the underlying problems that rest purely with Klopp that need to be addressed which go all the way back to Brendan Rodgers and worryingly have been there throughout Klopp’s two year tenure and haven’t been solved either on the training ground or in any of the transfer windows available to him.
How many of Liverpool’s Goalkeepers and back four would get in to any of the other teams in the top 6? Very very few I would suggest.
Klopp will need to overcome the problems in para one before the questions being asked switch from the fans and the media asking the questions to the owners asking the questions assuming the owners aren’t asking the questions already.
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Nine, the question of the owners, FSG, is an interesting one. I think they share part of the culpability in the club’s failures to bring in the players needed whilst also helping to keep Klopp’s feet to the fire to ensure we stay ambitious. But they can’t do that from across an ocean – instead they seem to think that they can trust Klopp with everything and hence won’t interfere with anything. There do seem quite a few parallels with the Arsenal owners in that regard.
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Mikus, I understand the frustration of fans who see little to no involvement from their owners in the club including attending matches which imo should be the minimum expectation of an owner.
VVD was a major Liverpool target this summer but for various reasons that transfer didn’t happen but of the circa £85m spent by Klopp this summer £77m of that was spent on attacking players and that’s a consistent theme throughout all of the transfer windows since Klopp joined the club.
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That’s because in Klopp’s mind it is the whole team that is responsible for defending – i.e. the back 5 only play a small part of that which is why he comes out with the comments he does about also blaming midfielders for mistakes that lead to us conceding. The only way Klopp will ever kick on then, is with the injection of some very special players into the team. VVD & Keita were a step in the right direction, but the failure to bring in that type of quality this season will now put him under big pressure – as I say, that failure I think partly comes from owners who aren’t present enough at the club to keep him on his toes. Too much trust can be just as problematic as too little.
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Mikus, all great points mate although providing funds to spend on transfers over and above the revenues the club creates is very difficult nigh impossible now days under FFP and in fairness to FSG they’ve always made it clear that Liverpool are an investment and they won’t throw their own money at it even if they could.
Seemingly there were funds available this summer hence the bid for VVD, and securing Keita for next season was a good move and both players once secured will definitely help the defensive issues.
I’m not sure just securing players will solve all of Liverpool’s defensive problems though as I said philosophy, defensive organisation and defensive Coaching all play a major part.
Tbh I would quite like to see Klopp’s philosophy of if you score 2 or 3 goals we will score 3 or 4 work but it didn’t work for Keegan at Newcastle and such is the competition now in the PL it’s difficult to see it working now.
Also like you and many other Liverpool fans I think Liverpool also need a striker capable of delivering 20 goals a season I think Klopp and probably the owners were hoping that Sturridge would be that player and he probably would have been were it not for the injuries. Cheers 999
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I can kind of understand why certain Pool-boys are getting ants in their pants, Klopp’s been there for about 100 games now and had several transfer windows to sort things out, and there doesn’t seem to be any sort of improvement. Not saying that’s enough to sort a mutts-nuts of a defensive, but you would expect to see something rather than more of the same as Brenda left Klopp with after that amount of time. Love watching Pool going forwards, but bloody hell, it’s bloody entertaining anyway when it doesn’t work too…
9,nine,nien… I’ll take your Keagen and give you an Ozzie… 🙂
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Klopp won’t change his philosophy or bring in a defensive coach. We won’t see a significant improvement until we bring in more quality throughout the team. The failure to do so over summer has put Klopp under pressure. It is baffling given that money was there – I just think he feels too comfortable in his job. The recent remark about the club’s history affecting the players is somewhat strange – was he unaware of the stature/history of the club before he came in and thus the pressure associated with the manager’s job?
I think in Klopp’s mind he wants a long time to build up the club in a traditional way. I sympathise with that, but the climate we’re in now has changed a great deal and sadly you have to deliver fairly quickly. He doesn’t have that luxury. In any sense, I just don’t think the manager’s job as it is now is one that many people can last in anyway because the pressure and demand of it takes it toll.
In a way, there’s a parallel with Moyes’ first season in charge at Man Utd – the way they talked about building in a traditional long term way and the lack of urgency to rebuild the team in the summer window. His quick sacking just confirmed those days were well and truly over. It’s all about bottom line now and nervousness about potential damage to revenues.
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Mikus, you’re not far away mate from being a genuine and regular challenger for the PL title imo.
I don’t buy the history bit affecting players at all it hasn’t affected Mane or Coutinho and it doesn’t look like it’s effected Salah or Firmino either good players will thrive in the right environment and won’t be weighed down by what as achieved in the past.
History is just that history and it’s the here and now that counts now no matter the club.
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Would that be anything to do with his philosophy of Gengenpressing?
The fact that the midfielders, wing backs, and the box-to-box player all adopt a high line from the start and in abundance, push up attack the opposition with the defence taking care of itself?
Albeit Van Dijk, maybe Klopp’s not gone specially out of his way to bring in more defenders, but instead has reprised Alberto Moreno?
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