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Good for you threeps π
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Sean, no worries mate unfortunately this debate always ends the same way. Fair question on what the new Chelsea owners have spent I was probably a bit frustrated by it all in my response. You know I love you.π Cheers 9’s
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Three P’s I’m not sure why you are feeling like this. Wouldn’t you agree as the tournament progressed and blossomed to something good dispelling at least some of the pre-conceptions about Qatar?
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No Ed, it’s the owners of teams being used as sticks to beat the fans of the teams that is wrong. It is not healthy for fair discussion and only leads to needless rows, diversions and whataboutery. We end up repeating the same crap over and over because we will not admit that it is completely out of our control.
Debates over ownership models and the best way forward for the game is fine, but we have to accept what is out of our control and respect each others clubs like we would respect each others spoiled bratty children π We don’t follow our teams due to lack of emotional attachment now do we? Our clubs have long histories that can not be defined by any current owner, and in the cases in which the owners deserve criticism it would be beneficial if it was purely directed at the owners and not the club or its fans. After all its the owners that decide everything collectively including who gets to own a club in the first place.
I am not criticising criticism of state ownership or Qatar world cup, I am pointing out that you have proved that when it is inconvenient these principles are ignored, I am not pretending that doesn’t apply to me, I am saying it applies to us all. I am not saying it is wrong either, because I empathise and understand 100% that the love for the game itself is too strong to be denied and we won’t cut off or nose to spite our face, same applies to the clubs we love.
I don’t want Saudi owners at Chelsea, but it is out of my control, if it happened I would still love chelsea and defend the club and fans from criticism that should be directed solely at the owner and those who actually do have power in this game.
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Fair enough points Lucky. Happy new year. Hope you have a good one!
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You too Ed π
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So, according to Nepolean (good to see you back, even if it’s just for a visit!), us Spuds can banter (abuse!) all you Mancs, Scousers, Bone Saw Boyz, funky Fench men, those nomadic twats from Woolich, and the West London mafia (could have been worse, puppy!) as the “rest” of us were never in wiff a shout anyway… I can live with that, you bunch of financially doped tosspots!!
Hope you all have a good New Year, although I’m sure some of you will just buy one anyway… π
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Nil the football was by all accounts pretty good and I’m pleased most of you enjoyed it. I think the WC has been done to death by now so let’s concentrate on the transfer window for this thread.
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Hi banjo, you were part of the very small and specific minority I referenced in my initial post!
Happy new year, you twisted bitter old bugger π πConte signed that extension yet btw? π
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P.s banjo, spurs were one of a small number of clubs impacted by roman taking over Chelsea, you were not part of the 99% I referred too. Before Roman chelsea and spurs were about same level in league but Chelsea were winning more trophies, then after roman we won a hell of a lot more trophies, now it looks as though we are back to same level in league but Chelsea winning more trophies just as before π
I know my clubs true position, I certainly do not have any resentment to Newcastle or City as clubs or towards their fans and would not abuse them as you do either.
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Hey Sean, with regards to money spent by chelsea under new owners. Its actually a bit of a worry I think. The new owners are no doubt going to.abide by FFP, not that there is not ways around it, but in that they are not same type of owners and in long term will not spend more than they get back, they will want FFP enforced for pure selfish reasons of course, not good of the game.
All that aside though, they are spending a lot up front on very young players and certainly taking massive risk. These deals are all spread out over coming years so it will reduce our ability to compete in coming seasons if majority of the risks don’t pay off.
Let alone the 200m spent this summer, we are trying to pick up gems line nkunku by agreeing fees ABOVE the release clauses to allow payments to be spread out, because release clauses need to be paid in full. We are trying same thing with the young Enzo FernΓ‘ndez in a deal that scares the shit out of me!
Ultimately if the players we buy over next 2 windows don’t cut the mustard and prove to be top players we will be in a very difficult situation in terms if bring able to rebuild with such huge liability outstanding on all these long term gambles.
Can only be optimistic but my confidence is on a knife edge.
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No probs at all nine mate. Totally agree about the topic mate!
Cheers lucky, I was just wondering as the enzo deal be huge
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Yeah Sean nine just posted news article on TT claiming we will pay release in full and I can’t believe it. Just keep thinking james Rodriguez to real all those years ago! He was a good player too but worth that level of hype and transfer fee?
Like I said, shitting myself on this one π
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Lucky, lot of money for Fernandez based primarily on a World Cup which could be dangerous but we had a zero net spend last season and if we were to buy Fernandez the fee would be spread across the contract probably 6 years so Β£17.5m pa but as you say eventually it all adds up.
I suspect we will sell a few in the Summer though too, the strategy going forwards now looks like buy top player where the team needs strengthening alongside investing in future players.
You’re giving too much credit to the Spuds though they finished 12,14 and 17 points behind Chelsea in the PL in the 3 seasons prior to the Abramovich takeover.π
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Lol nine, was just trying to be nice π
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Yeah it’s a risk mate and we will see if an agreement can be found before taking it serious although I know we are in formal talks and agreed to pay equivalent of release clause, but not able to trigger release clause with lump sum payment. We will pay more if we do get him and can only hope he is worth it if we do π€ Too rich for me to handle mate I can’t think in terms of such big numbers π
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If a club is to match a release clause the amount must be in full or the selling club can reject it. Spreading across the contract length is just a thing the accountants do, rarely rhe fee actually follows this. Of course the selling club could negotiate so that it is in installments if they wanted to, just like they could negotiate to a lower fee. But for an activation of a release clause with no resistance it must be in full.
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That’s right threeps, if chelsea did pay release fee in full to trigger clause it would still be amortised over length of contract as far as the books and FFP is concerned like most transfers are regardless of how the money is paid. The difference and the difficulty with paying it up front is literally having enough money in the bank now to cover it. Only other option is loan but much better to agree inflated fee in installments with the club than take loan I would imagine in most cases.
Benefica are going to bend us over!
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Yeah my bad Lucky when I quoted the Β£17.5m it was purely from an FFP respective this one gives me the colly wobbles too it so much money the lads as good as he is is not worth the fee imo just as Grealish wasn’t but that’s the trouble with release clauses. As part of the takeover terms as I remember it a large amount had to be put aside for future transfers. Cheers 9’s
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If you want to know how disturbing some of these owners of football clubs are, have a read of this-
Went undercover in Saudi Arabia to investigate hundreds of wealthy citizens selling their vulnerable maids online – on their version of eBay
I spoke to sellers flogging workers alongside cars & fridges on this disturbing black market app – still available on Apple/Google stores https://t.co/bT0dLN101b
— Shay (@ShaymaBakht) December 26, 2022
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