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One team has invariably dominated the league for decades so I really don’t see the difference and now it’s city’s turn
Yes the owners shouldn’t be but they are.
United didn’t just have fergie they has the most money and biggest budget of any team until the Russian turned up. They also got so many good players from opponents that bought that success and got away with it by paying figures clubs couldbt turn down.
The Russian did for Chelsea exactly what city have done and before any form of ffp which they only introduced to stop others doing what they did
City won’t dominate post pep they will be another big club
Besides when the mighty Arsenal win the league this year it will be all the sweeter just like when we beat the mighty fergie and United
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“In fairness Nine, I’ve seen loads of Utd and Liverpool fans speaking out against the prospect of oil state ownership.” That’s true enough Ed but I’ve also seen many who would welcome it and realistically it doesn’t matter where the money is coming from United fans want rid of the Glazers because they think they are taking money out of the Club instead of investing it in the team both Liverpool and United fans want wealthy owners who will plough lots of money into their teams irrelevant of where they are from.
As for a non competitive PL I can’t remember too many title races that didn’t feature just 2 teams and I can’t remember too many title races even pre City that were much more than 2 teams competing for the title and there’s currently 2 teams fighting for this title everyone expected Liverpool to be up there this season too there were even Liverpool fans pre season saying Liverpool would win it by a margin but I suspect Liverpool will be back challenging next season you can’t have a tighter title race than last seasons when it was settled in the last few minutes of the last game other than perhaps the ” it’s Aguero” game.😊
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Apologies, I wasn’t taking anything away from the the job Pep has done. Pelegrini use to manage mid table sides before arriving at City and didn’t win anything notable until he got to City. He was sacked at West Ham because they were in a relegation battle at the time.
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That’s true enough Ed but I’ve also seen many who would welcome it and realistically it doesn’t matter where the money is coming from United fans want rid of the Glazers because they think they are taking money out of the Club instead of investing it in the team both Liverpool and United fans want wealthy owners who will plough lots of money into their teams irrelevant of where they are from
Yeah, I said as much Nine right after the bit you quoted 😁. You will know as well as any how Chelsea fans reacted when the Rickets family and the Saudis were linked to taking over at Chelsea. You only have to read through the thread on the Chelsea TT site about the potential owners to see even Chelsea fans not wanting that kind of owner at their club. It’s the natural reaction I think, albeit it soon disappears down the toilet when a few new trophies or signings come in. Sadly, there are enough fans out there of clubs that really don’t care who owns their club for the rest of us to make much difference.
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United were not the biggest spenders up until the RA arrived. Ferguson didn’t have the most expensive squad or 1st 11. Doesn’t every top team buy players from opponents. Arsenal and Liverpool use to do it too. I remember Liverpool paying 8m for Collymore and Arsenal offering 100,000 a week to Sol Campbell.
That is nothing compared to what City have done. City are literally like someone going to the gym and taking steroids just to catch up to the people who have been training for years.
The biggest spender in every Premier League season – and how they fared
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Steve, it’s not in any way comparable to what Ferguson did. Ferguson took over a club who had a net spend of minus £1.5mil in the 5 years preceding his appointment (meaning he hardly took over a top squad like Pep) and £14mil total in the 5 years post his appointment (both Spurs and Liverpool spent more during this period). Newcastle, Liverpool, Chelsea, Everton, Spurs and even Man City outspent Utd massively during the period 92-98. Guardiola is a fantastic coach. Probably the best in the world, but he took over a club who had spent enormously to get where they are and continued to spend enormously since, albeit it has naturally slowed down because they now only need small refinements because of previous expenditure. There’s every chance he would have been successful anyway but we may never know as he’s never had to sell players or had to sell to buy. He sells players who he no longer needs. Utd were the biggest spenders in the league 3 times during Ferguson’s tenure.
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Pep spent 450m in his 1st 15 months being City manager improving a squad that already had Kompany, Silva, Fernandinho, Toure, De Bruyne and Aguero.
No other manager has had that luxury. Comparing the resources he had to any other manager, is like comparing apple and oranges.
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What everybody should realise that until City ownership came along some eleven years ago no other teams were allowed to break in to the top two or three who ran the league like a cartel.
In ANY business to break a cartel requires enormous investment. Look at Chelsea before Abramovich. Fairly unsuccessful with a crap ground.
It would be better if there was no foreign money. Even better if no oil money or Russian money. Better if no money from non resident billionaires who don’t pay UK tax. Better if Thai or Chinese investment is excluded. But then this applies to many many UK industries.
Who owns our electricity, water and rail companies. Who for example owns Harrods. The foreign investment gives UK businesses an advantage-most of the time. Sadly football is no exception.
Are Newcastle fans crying about their new ownership? I doubt it.
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Just as a PS
At the end of 2020, shares in quoted UK-domiciled companies listed on the London Stock Exchange (LSE) were worth a total of £2.17 trillion.The proportion of UK shares held in the rest of the world increased again to set a record high, at 56.3% of the value of the UK stock market.
The proportion of UK shares held by UK-resident individuals fell to 12%, down by 1.3 percentage points from 2018.
Football is no different.
AlsoSome of the UK’s largest listed companies including water and energy giants have handed almost £500m to Qatari state-owned investors this year, raising concerns that blue-chip company profits are supporting the controversial World Cup host.
The dividend payouts are the result of the Gulf nation’s investments in a raft of FTSE 100 firms, including Barclays, Shell and utility firm Severn Trent, which have reported strong profits amid a cost of living crisis and the worst UK drought in centuries.
The figures, compiled by the Guardian, cover funds distributed to Qatari state-owned shareholders in the 10 months leading up to the controversial tournament in November.
Football is no different. United- Glazers-Dividends.
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Adlab why would Newcatle fans cry about the Saudi take over? Think you are missing the point of the discussion
Speaking of Newcastle Saudi take over one of the best comments was in reply to the Newcasle LGBTQ statement welcoming the take over. It was something along the lines of “So it’s OK you kill people in your country like us as long as you buy us nice gifts”.
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Football is different, football is a competive sport intended to entertain. Your owners are trying to turn it into a monopoly for their own benefit and you are lapping it up with the promise of gifts and success. Ed hit the nail on the head when he said they targeted success deprived clubs in City and Newcastle as they knew their fan base would accept the promise of success without any questions about if they should or not.
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I don’t think you realise it Adlab but all this whataboutery whenever the City/Newcastle ownership/owners are questioned is exactly what sportswashing is. Those states know that football fans are so tribal and emotionally invested in their clubs that they (the fans) will do their (the state’s) PR for them. What those states have bought is more than a football club. It’s a megaphone of unconditional support of their regimes. Because, well, trophies and players.
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I don’t get the sportwashing argument at all tbh. We wouldn’t be talking about the crimes of the Saudis, Qataris, or UAE at all if they hadn’t purchased football clubs. It puts them under the microscope rather than allowing them to escape it.
The Uk government has been profiting from arms sales to the Saudis for a good while now, we should probably start with our own Govt before pointing our fingers in a south easterly direction imo.
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Just in terms of spending- how much have Chelsea spent since their new owners come in? Not having a go just genuinely wondering as it looks like 100m + for enzo.
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Adlab, the last 5 years there has only been 2 teams who have won the league title. 1 of them won it 4 times. Football always comes in cycles….United dominance was always going to end once Ferguson retired.
The cartel you are referring to between 97-04, there were 2 teams competing for the league. 1 of them won it 4 times and other 3.
Hate to say it, thankfully we have had Klopp who has made the league competitive, otherwise it would been City walking it every year.
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Adlab,”Look at Chelsea before Abramovich. Fairly unsuccessful with a crap ground.”
Just to say whilst it’s a matter of opinion 2 FA Cups a League Cup and a European Cup Winners Cup in the 6 years prior to the Abramovich takeover were reasonably successful and the Stadium was completely rebuilt by Ken Bates prior to the Abramovich takeover.
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This would come across from myself as banging one particular drum, but I refer to my point of the magnitude and heights of achievement from Liverpool of 90+ points 3 occasions yet winning the league just once.
Manchester City’s record is frightening. It’s a combination of Pep and being able to invest at the ready plus being ultra smart in keeping FFP at bay.
Other than Chelsea, after one freak season and Leicester winning, it’s all been Manchester City. I don’t have a problem with investment, I have a problem with competition when it’s purely one-sided. I would assert this even if my own team was winning the league every season, because then, you enter the realms of taking the competition for granted and almost each season you feel it’s a given.
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Lol, Adlab, can’t help but laugh the way you described Stamford Bridge 😀 😛
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Wouldn’t be quite so funny though Nil would it had Anfield been sold by your owners to property developers to build houses and flats on it and you wouldn’t have had a ground to play in with every home game money being collected in plastic buckets from the fans to try and Save the Bridge it took years to overcome that situation and until the Club regained control of Stamford Bridge no investment could be made on redeveloping a Stadium that by then badly needed redevelopment. It would help if people knew what they were talking about!
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Sean,”Just in terms of spending- how much have Chelsea spent since their new owners come in? Not having a go just genuinely wondering as it looks like 100m + for enzo.”
“Not having a go” but bit over what the Liverpool owners have spent in the last 12 months on transfers remembering though that Chelsea had a zero net transfer spend the previous season and that Liverpool are also looking to spend £100m plus on Bellingham.😊
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