January Transfers 2023 (All I Want For Christmas is….)

[paul powers tash]

So Threeps.Similar to when Liverpool were languishing in the old second division and Littlewoods
came in with plenty of cash at the time.Appointed Shankley and the rest is history

In 1975 (or poss 73) Liverpool and City had both won the same amount of trophies in their history

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[Mikus LFC]

I’m not sure Paul. I think whilst of course managers can leave a club better than they found them, the idea they can leave long lasting legacies on how the club performs after they leave is a bit wishful thinking for me. I would argue the better strategy for a club is to have a long lasting and very good CEO and Head of Recruitment with the manager changing every so often. This is basically what has bought Chelsea their continued success, particularly over the Abramovich era (though that’s the extreme example). What you don’t want is to be heavily dependent on your manager and/or have him closely wedded to the other hierarchy at the club. Fergie and Gill leaving Man Utd at the same time was utterly disastrous for the club and its taken a decade for the club to recover. Similarly, Wenger being at Arsenal for so long left something of a vacuum when he left.

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[Nike19]

My only gripe with it all is the impact it can have on competition to the other teams and if there’s just one team constantly winning the league every season (like Man United did in the 90s), then there’s no hope really for the rest.

Liverpool btw, didn’t win it back to back in the 80s (as far as I recall unless somebody stands to correct me on this).

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[Nike19]

Not sure too on a slightly different subject if it pops up whether Pep can be classed as just a Cheque-book Manager.

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[threeps]

Pretty difficult for me to judge the situation back then as it was before my time. Did other teams fans resent Liverpool? No idea, but I am talking about now. If City win the league this year, and lets face it they will, it will be 5 out of the last 6 season with only a remarkable season by Liverpool stopping a perfect 6, that just has never happened before. As I said you are a very well run club but lets be honest you won the lottery to put you on the path to success, it wasnt earnt.

Of course people could still say the City project still hasnt been a total success as they are still missing the biggest title in club football. Sure that will change sometime soon.

No fans apart from the teams fans in question want total dominance. Its boring as hell. Living in Germany I know how unexcited fans are about a league where they already know the winner before the season starts!

Nil, he has had 3 jobs and they were always the clubs with the most resources. Interestingly the Bayern fans do not see his tenure as a success as he didnt win them the CL and introduced more boring football than his predecessor. To them he did the bare minimum expected. He is a great coach but one that can only work with already great players and he does take them that extra step, I couldn’t see him do to Liverpool or Dortmund what Klopp did.

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[Chucky McChuckface]

PPT…first time I’ve heard them being called fake… which makes a change from all times we heard the complaint about how they were obtained.

“The Premier League has always said it will only comment once the case has been concluded and declined to comment, as did City. The club always insisted that the leaked emails were taken ‘out of context’ and were ‘purportedly hacked or stolen’, adding that ‘the attempt to damage the club’s reputation is organised and clear’.”

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[Rover]

No such thing as not earned or not deserved.All top clubs have rich owners while the clubs that struggle every year have lesser financial resources, it’s always been like that in every country. Now and again a lesser unfashionable club will win something but that would probably be their last time too.

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[nine nine nine]

United won 13 PL titles from 1993 to 2013 and in their pomp they were wonderful to watch. Liverpool dominated the League title in the 70’s and 80’s and in their pomp were wonderful to watch as they were in their title winning season. City were given a massive leg up through their ownership but in their pomp are equally wonderful to watch. All Clubs have benefited from owner investment Liverpool have spent heavily in the last 12 months despite making a loss in the last financial year one would presume from the generosity of their owners and the success of the 60’s,70’s and 80’s was driven by Moores family money, Spurs recent transfer spending has been reportedly driven on the back of a £150m investment from their owner.

The anti City rhetoric as always is driven by jealousy and double standards from some who have previously admitted they wished they had been as lucky as City and many United fans hope for a Middle East takeover to restore them to their former glories.

That’s not to say if City have done anything that the PL deem wrong they shouldn’t be held to account.

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[threeps]

The anti City rhetoric as always is driven by jealousy and double standards from some who have previously admitted they wished they had been as lucky as City and many United fans hope for a Middle East takeover to restore them to their former glories.

What a load of generalising rubbish. Some might yes, but it isnt “always” driven by jealousy at all. In germany RBL amd Hoffenheim are hated by other fans even those from Munich, you think they are jealous? Some of us just don’t like those that get an unfair elevation due to rich owners and then spout about how well run they are.

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[nine nine nine]

I’ve seen plenty of Liverpool fans longing for a Middle East takeover too threeps or shall we put that down to generalising rubbish too!😊

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[sean the sailor]

Jealousy lol sorry nine that made me laugh mate. I don’t like watching city. Pointless watching a team dominate nearly every single game they play. I rarely watch them

That’s just me. No doubting they are a fantastic side. Ever hear city fans on here after a defeat? Blame everyone but the team.

It’s very simple. You cannot compare liverpools spending to cities since pep and Klopp came in. It’s seriously bothers opposing fans as you get phrases like lucky with the couthino sale lol. It’s great business while people on here did slate us for selling our best player

It’s an absolutely pointless debate that’s raised constantly by opposing fans. Liverpool spend money but we sell to buy. It’s really that sinple.

I don’t want owners like city or Newcastle.

Next time this pops up I won’t get involved lol. Absolute club bias from clubs who have money to burn.

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[Rover]

I love watching City but I never bother to watch Liverpool or Arsenal unless they playing us.

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[sean the sailor]

Difference between you and me rover is, I don’t hate city. You hate liveroool and Arsenal and never have an objective comment to say about either

I recognise how brilliant city are and don’t dislike the club one bit, I just find the majority of their ganes boring as they dominate nearly every game.

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[Editor]

In fairness Nine, I’ve seen loads of Utd and Liverpool fans speaking out against the prospect of oil state ownership. Lots of fans simply don’t want their clubs associated with that kind of owner. As I’ve said previously, they’re not stupid those investors in that they invest in clubs who are not known as being successful clubs (City, Newcastle and PSG). They know their fans haven’t tasted much success so will be easier to win over with all the shiny things money can buy. Neither Utd or Liverpool have been starved of success in that way so they’ll definitely face more opposition. Sadly, a lot still won’t care but you’ll definitely get more speaking out against that type of ownership. I can categorically say I don’t want that type of owner anywhere near my club. Can I do anything about it? No, but you can be absolutely certain I will speak out about all their flaws and will not defend them as people. I honestly don’t know if I’d have to question my support of the club if that type of owner came to my club. I’d certainly have a tough time making that decision.

Criticism of City, Newcastle, PSG etc is not jealousy at all IMO. As Threeps says, turning a league into a 1 team league is not good for anyone. It will severely impact on the entertainment of the league as a whole.

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[Rover]

Sean I’m way over that many years ago, it doesn’t pay or make sense to hate any club, I just don’t get any satisfaction of watching teams I don’t care for win or lose, but not caring for certainly doesn’t mean I hate them. We can’t say other owners are this or that unless we ourselves are innocent of all wrongdoings, I suppose you now going to say you are. Noone knows what tendencies lurk in the hearts of all men.

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[Editor]

We can’t say other owners are this or that unless we ourselves are innocent of all wrongdoings, I suppose you now going to say you are. Noone knows what tendencies lurk in the hearts of all men.

That’s, frankly, a load of nonsense Rover and you know it 😁. By that logic, I can’t criticise a serial killer for their actions if I once stole a Mars bar at Tesco?

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[sean the sailor]

Good response see Ed. Look lads, always good to debate

I wish everyone on here a happy and healthy new year

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[Chucky McChuckface]

Unlike the days of Pool, Yoo Utd’s etc… dominance, now there isn’t a chance of other teams really getting to compete… MoneyCity have blown everybody out the water, there is no adherance to FFP rules (PPT will need to do a hell of a lot better than what he has to convince me, and many others, that MoneyCity haven’t just pissed all over the rules to get where they are!), the have hundreds of billions to spend on this pointless PR campagin while completely ruining the game in this country… and that’s before we get to the owners themsleves, dispicable people at best.

There’s nothing wrong with saying you want to win trophies, and the only defense City boys have is “Fuck off, I like wining trophies!”… not the best arguement, but the only argument you’ve got. Just don’t bother coming out with all the other bullshit arguments.

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[CM]

Paul power tash-

Just to correct you. Littlewoods did not take over Liverpool, they took over Everton.

Shankly was the reason behind Liverpool’s dominance, just like Paisley, Dalglish and Klopp after him.

Just like Busby and Ferguson were behind United’s dominance.

Whilst a state will are behind City’s dominance.
Pellegrini won the league with City, afterwards went to West Ham and ended up with the sack. It does not take much skill to win the league title with that City side.

Whilst managers are always remembered for United’s, Liverpool’s and Arsenal’s success. Wealthy owners will be remembered for City’s.

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[Editor]

It does not take much skill to win the league title with that City side.

Come on CM, it always requires a good manager to win the Premier League. That City are at an advantage isn’t to take anything away from the amazing job Guardiola has done. Pellegrini has had a very respectable managerial career. That he was sacked is not evidence that he was a bad manager. Mourinho, one of the all time most successful managers has been sacked many times. Anccelotti didn’t do a great job at Everton and was sacked at Chelsea and PSG. He’s just won the CL (again).

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