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NB, youβre a big fan of VAR, this is just a case of VAR being used in the real world?…..Pagan
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Nil, personally I don’t think Carragher should be sacked although I think he should be suspended for the rest of the Season but I accept whatever happens from here it’s Sky’s decision and in any major Corporation had Carragher done what he did whilst returning from a business assignment HR would be all over it and Carragher would be lucky to hold on to his job.
We can blame Camera phones, Social media and previous offenders like Barton but the fact is Carragher has grown up in this age and clearly shouldn’t have reacted like he did.
He’s been contrite but he had to be contrite to have any chance of holding on to his job it’s Sky’s call now and we’ll have to wait and see what they finally decide.
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if it wasnt for the camera carragher wouldn’t have been caught spitting at a 14 year old girl. if he wasnt caught i very much doubt he would be apologising and would completely deny it.
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Nice views Pagan, nice views π π
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Carragher’s actions have probably set a precedent for the rest of the Premier League. I think players now will be even more cautious and keep themselves to themselves.
It’s a shame for innocent loyal supporters who are genuine fans of those players – potentially even more difficult for them to get an autograph and/or a photograph.
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I’m not sure Carragher was spitting at the girl he spat in the general direction of the car.
Yes he might have got away with it without the Camera phone but all personalities know there are Camera phones everywhere which can capture anything they do that is remotely wrong and Carragher knows what he did was wrong.
Rightly the Police are going to talk to the Father about using his phone whilst driving.
Fact is though Carragher’s shouldn’t be getting away with something like that.
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… bare minimum imo is a suspension until the end of the Season and a stern warning as to what action will be taken should he step out of line again.
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Nine @ 10:24, mirror those thoughts mate.
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Nine, I kind of get the feeling in relation to yesterday’s interview on Sky News, Carragher was already placed in a disciplinary meeting.
He genuinely seemed remorseful to me which changed my mind about him keeping his job.
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I agree with Paxton
If one of my employees did that Iβd sack them
I think itβs despicable
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nil – he’s showing remorse because he knows there is a strong possibility hes going to lose his job and be a villain in the eyes of the public. he’ll forever be that guy that spat at a 14 year old girl.
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Pax, that’s probably your own perception at this moment in time.
When Luis Suarez’s name comes up, I don’t immediately think of ‘that bite’ on Cellini during the World Cup. I think of him as a Barcelona player.
I absolutely detest spiting on somebody. The problem in this particular scenario was that the daughter got caught in the crossfire of the clown that clearly goaded Carra.
I seem to think there’s slightly more to this than something of a flash in the pan. My understanding of it was that this happened from leaving the ground. Clearly emotions are high from a defeat and you’re in the surroundings of Old Trafford.
I’m not excusing his behaviour but trying to draw to some kind of a reasoning in what to me was something more than a moment of madness. I think from yesterday’s interview, he resisted in opening up underlying thoughts, but instead just focused on being apologetic to which he to me sounded genuine.
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Think carragher is going the way of Ron Atkinson or Andy Gray, and he deserves it.
Remember him throwing the coin into the crowd – he used the same quotes then, moment of madness, never again etc.
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Paxton is right imo. If the fella had not recorded it and then made it public Carragher would have likley just denied it. When it’s gone public he’s apologised and shown remorse to save his job. It wasn’t an accident, he deliberately spat at members of the public, and in my opinion it was unprovoked. Carragher says he had no excuses but then makes one saying he was being goaded. I don’t think a bit of “hey Jamie, 2-1!” is being provoked or goaded.
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Maybe further down the line, they’ll be some form of reasoning from a behaviour and trait point of view.
I don’t know though why anybody would resort to spitting at somebody unless they are absolutely angry and disgusted with a fellow human being.
This fella clearly went out of his way to ‘make a point’ of 2-1 whilst having his daughter sat right next to him. Not only that, he chooses to make a recording of it.
Carra has just been through 2 hours of punditry in which resulted to a disappointing outcome. He probably went through a crowd of United supporters giving him plenty, so this could have been the tip of the iceberg and just venomously retaliated.
Having to be in the company of a certain depressing Souness doesn’t exactly help. I’ve said all along, even though Neville’s exceptional in how impartial he is that these guys are too close to the badges of their former clubs.
Not easy for some out there when you’re on the wrong end of a result to remain a ‘code of conduct’. I’m not excusing for those to turn into wild animals, but this is something to take into account. I do think though, spitting is just something you wouldn’t even do on your worst enemy.
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Nil, seriously mate there is absolutely no “reasoning” that Carragher’s behaviour can be passed of on.
The Father was a fool and shouldn’t have been doing what he did even his daughter was asking him to stop from the very beginning of the situation and she is only 14 but what the Father said as stupid as he was to do what he did was fairly mild albeit a wind up and as you said Carragher should have just kept his window wound up.
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…….Carragher has got previous for this sort of thing too. Former England ace Jamie Carragher was arrested after a road-rage bust-up – with an old school foe.
The Liverpool star, 30, had just dropped off son James, four, at school when he and a motorist angrily squared up to each other.
Dad-of-two Jamie later told pals that there was “pushing and shoving” with the man – with whom he is said to have a feud dating from their classroom days.
After the motorist and witnesses told police, Jamie and his lawyer went to a station the following day and he agreed to be cautioned for common assault.
It is the lowest grade of the offence and covers anything from spitting to shoving. But accepting a caution is a legal admission of guilt.
The tough defender – vice-captain of his club – was heading to training when the row erupted in Liverpool at 9am on Tuesday.
Police confirmed: “We received an allegation of assault which resulted in an arrest and caution.”
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Itβs ok though paul, he said it was out of character and would never happen again etc rtc??
I think he has shown he isnβt much more than a Scally in a suit and canβt conduct himself in public. The behaviours that made him a good and dogged defender wonβt help him here.
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Nine, previous history has been identified by yourself and WIB and facts are facts.
I’ve maintained all along, I condemn this from top-to-toe, but what I’ve been trying to bring into the subject to add to the discussion is his interview with Sky. I saw another side of Carragher that I’ve never ever seen and he was genuinely close to tears after the Interview pointed out that he has daughters of his own.
Perhaps it needed that somebody really harsh to interview him and pretty much come down on him like a ton of bricks. From an organisation/employer point of view, that speaks volumes and sends out the right message on par with decent folk in society.
Obviously discussion continues as his position hangs in the balance.
Logically speaking, in reality I don’t think there is a return because in relation to Carra’s own ‘job title’ part of this involves highlighting the subject of discipline. The way we have INSTANT access to various mediums of communication, there will no doubt be people quick to remind him of his own former actions and “that’s rich coming from you”.
It’s also a bit like employing somebody who has faced being bankrupt to then deliver you with financial advice. The trust and the confidence is lost and to an extent, I get where Paxton is coming from being that for the immediate future, seeing this sorry unsavoury image will be fixed on their mind each time they see Carra’s face.
I would therefore say the best form of action all round is to cut his ties with Sky and begin with a clean slate with a Different employer. He would probably be snapped up quite quickly by BT, BeIN or NBC – even get a job on the Radio.
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Nil, as everyone has said of course Carragher was repentant in the Sky interview he’s potentially on the brink of losing his job which is potentially worth Β£1m pa to him.
We will have to wait and see what Sky decide you make some very good points re Carragher’s role in analysing discipline in games but that would be the same problem were he to go on and work for BT or MOTD etc.
Personally I would like to see the Broadcasters use non aligned pundits for live games and I’ve long thought that the likes of Carragher shouldn’t be doing Liverpool games and the same applies to the others too.
It’s a difficult one for all Broadcasters now in respect of Carragher imo.
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