Is VAR a blessing or a curse to the game?

[Nike19]

Nine, @ 8:42, Amen To That Mate.

Oliver just took it upon himself and Any Ref I’m led to believe can come forward and check the monitor for himself. Really pleased with that moment of action as something rightfully good came out of it.

Cheers

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[sean the sailor]

Nine or anyone, can anyone tell me who calls the var checks?

Like who would have thought Henderson handled the ball in the build up to the goal yday? I presume it’s stockly park

The handball rule is ridiculous.

It really is ruining the emotional side of the game these days. You just can’t celebrate a goal.

It’s like they are looking to disallow goals?

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[Pagan]

When VVD moved to Liverpool for £75m a few eyebrows were raised at the transfer fee, he has however justified that fee

VAR though has proved to be a far better defender, the stats show goals that have been stopped are of the like never seen before, and beg the question what transfer fee would that command……Pagan

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[nine nine nine]

Sean, Stockley Park reviews everything mate.

The accidental handball rule in relation to a goal being scored is a football law problem rather than a VAR problem and definitely needs changing in the Summer imo. Cheers 9’s

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[nine nine nine]

Pagan, ha, ha, brilliant stuff mate.?

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[Chelsea.man]

I find this picture by an arsenal fan hillarious.???

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[nine nine nine]

More potential good news following on from the decision for Referees to use pitch side monitors for red card decisions from Saturday following on from the Aubemayang incident v Palace last weekend is the news that IFAB are going to review the new accidental handball rule in their February meeting.

Such is the dislike of VAR that many have mistakenly blamed VAR for the calls that ruled out goals like the West Ham equaliser at Sheffield United but it’s the accidental handball rule change that’s to blame and hopefully IFAB come up with the right decision and bin it from next season.

Next a bit more tolerance built into the offside rule and things could look a bit brighter all round from next season.

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[Mikus LFC]

This is one of the most thought provoking takes on the VAR debacle that I’ve seen, that really gets to the root core of the fundamentals and philosophy of the game and why VAR is ultimately struggling to cope with it. This line particularly stuck out:

“The risk is that football’s intrinsic simplicity is unsustainable in an era of technological complexity. Attempts to get more right decisions will unravel the consensus on which the game is based…”

Click on the link and read through the thread, well worth a read.

I’m at the Olympic Stadium and there is a break for a VAR check. It’s going on for a while, so I thought I’d take the opportunity to jot down a few thoughts about VAR. pic.twitter.com/2ybIULpMkq

— Daisy Christodoulou (@daisychristo) February 1, 2020

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[Anonymous]

VAR aint the problem, human are. Quite who we’d direct abuse to or chant you dont know what your doing remains to be seen… and it does take some getting used to having spent my entire adult life stewing over that Barcelona game at the bridge… But, I do kind of like it. I think its improved other sports and again, said it on this thread, I think it’ll improve football… gulp… I want a robot ref.

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[nine nine nine]

Love it or loathe it I’m pretty sure VAR is here to stay.

I suspect that some of the gremlins will get ironed out in the Summer we’ve already seen Referee’s referring to pitch side monitors for red card decisions, the offensive handball offence is under review which is a rule problem rather than a VAR problem and there are moves to make the offside rule less sensitive than it currently is.

At the end of the day though the technology is just there to help humans make the right decisions and as we all know humans are imperfect.?

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[Mikus LFC]

Think it goes deeper than that though, as the above thread discusses. Football is ultimately a simpler game compared to other sports, and one of the big attractions with it, is that it flows continuously. Even though there have always been moans from the crowds over some decisions, such moans actually quickly dissipated afterwards, and things were quickly forgotten, mainly because underneath all this, there is a consensus that football should be a game that’s allowed to flow, so we were prepared to live with it. Now however, VAR is fundamentally changing that by examining everything with a fine tooth comb. Then you have the problem with the new handball rules – not down to VAR many will say – very true – but such law changes are a result of the same thing that is driving VAR – the desire to “clean” the game from any grey areas and make things more black and white. This is the root of the whole problem – you either have a flowing game with grey areas, or you have a more stop-start one that’s more black and white. It’s very hard to find a middle ground or compromise on such things. For example, trying to factor in margins of error for offside is still difficult, and in any case, to do it properly, you would need Virtual Reality cameras placed around the stadium to examine the different perspectives and angles to more accurately determine such things and better calibrate the offside line. In any case, offside was never really designed to punish marginal offsides, it was to stop goal hanging, so it’s not in the spirit of the game anyway.

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[Mikus LFC]

Personally, I would revert back to the way the game was, but leave the pitch side monitors up to be used by referees for incidents they didn’t have a clear view of (or for real clangers they missed). In such a scenario as this, you are using the technology as an aid – which is exactly what the purpose of it is. Instead, the technology has been using us, and changing the game in the process. So I’m not convinced such fine tuning is the answer. A discussion needs to happen at some point to ask fans what they really want out of the game.

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[sean the sailor]

For me offside is the least problem
As you are either on or off. It doesn’t matter if your nose is offside, it’s offside. Marginal but that’s the rule

It’s the drawing of the lines to try and prove people offside. Firmino wasn’t offside at villa.

The main problem is inconsistency. It’s always been the problem.

Some of the calls when gone to var have been shocking.

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[nine nine nine]

“A discussion needs to happen at some point to ask fans what they really want out of the game.’

Do you really think that’s going to happen Mikus?

All we can hope for is that some of the gremlins will get ironed out of VAR. I think some things will change for the better in the Summer as VAR is adapted to take into account some of the faults with it and I think that’s the best we can hope for.

VAR operates in every major League in the world and it’s almost certsinly here to stay and anyone who can’t accept that is banging their heads against a brick wall and the only outcome from that is frustration and a headache.

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[Mikus LFC]

Probably not Nine, and it will lead to a compromise that still isn’t great in my opinion – that could also still lead to frustration and headache.

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[nine nine nine]

Mikus, generally people don’t like change in a couple of years time though with some of the problems ironed out everyone will be more used to it and be more accepting of VAR imo.

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[steveosnakeeye]

this will be carnage!

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/italian-football-federation-open-to-trialling-var-challenge-system-where-teams-can-request-an-on-field-review-during-matches-on-night-when-cristiano-ronaldo-nets-controversial-penalty-for-juventus-in-coppa-italia/ar-BBZYFCz?ocid=spartanntp

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[nine nine nine]

Stevo, I’m pretty sure that will be an IFAB decision not an FA decision.

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[steveosnakeeye]

i know 999 but who ever does it it would lead to carnage and more delays, silly really

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[Chelsea.man]

What did they say about VAR apart from admitting they have made a mistake?

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