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Mr. Balance, itβs played with all of the body at the moment (that could change with young players if they ban heading the ball) but only 2 can use their hands…Pagan
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……I try not to get too involved in any more discussion about the rights and wrongs of VAR and VAR decisions and I’ve not commented on whether VAR was right or wrong with their decision re Firmino.
I was commenting on the PL’s explanation of the Firmino decision that his armpit was offside which made me think that maybe football needs to redefine the offside rules because I don’t think you can score a goal with your armpit.
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999, exactly, it needs to be clear and obvious, something that in real time the assistant should be expected to get right, not the micro analysis. I donβt think anyone would argue with that, it should only take one look and less than 15 seconds…Pagan
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Pagan, yep Sky proved the Linesmen got the decision right but based on what the Linesmen could see it was the wrong decision as you say “however it was by pure luck” the Linesman got it right.
It’s not something to get excited about either way but in that situation love it or loathe it VAR would have taken out the guesswork of the linesman when at the time as I remember it and I might be wrong here but the instruction were to give the benefit of doubt to the attacker.
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“999, exactly, it needs to be clear and obvious, something that in real time the assistant should be expected to get right, not the micro analysis. I donβt think anyone would argue with that, it should only take one look and less than 15 secondsβ¦Pagan”
I didn’t go there mate and neither will I it’s just the explanation on the reasons for the Firmino goal being ruled out by the PL seemed a bit strange to me that’s all because you can’t score a goal with your arm pit. Which is why I questioned whether the offside rule might need tweaking.
Won’t happen of course so it was pointless me raising it and as you rightly said we’re stuck with VAR. Whether we love it or loathe it or somewhere in between.?
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999, so now the refs need to be anatomical experts, I guess by definition half of the armpit must be on the arm the rest on the torso, you couldnβt make it up. Itβs like when you were a kid and played footy against your dad, he just made the rules up as he went along, a bit like the football in the film Kes….Pagan
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Pagan, you seem to be missing the point I was making I wasn’t defending the Firmino decision as per what I said.
“itβs just the explanation on the reasons for the Firmino goal being ruled out by the PL seemed a bit strange to me thatβs all, because you canβt score a goal with your arm pit. Which is why I questioned whether the offside rule might need tweaking”
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Var is a joke guys. Some of the decisions are just ridiculous.
Ali has handled the ball just there. His arm is up. Itβs taken 2 minutes for them not to give a pen. Itβs a joke the way itβs been used. Itβs a handball and pen
Firmino was on side. They tried to find away to prove it offside as not to go againest the ref
Itβs actually ruining the game as they are getting clear decisions absolutely wrong
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I think we should get all the VAR incidents put together and bet on the decisions they come to. It seems totally random, we could call it univarsity challenge….Pagan
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Ha ha very good pagan
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My point of posting the clip with Andy Gray (and apologies that it was pretty much the same as the post from Mikus, he posted his just as I was finishing off mine!) is not if the rules of offside need improving or better explanations or if the technology is sufficient for the task. It’s that the cretins that sit in front of a screen with all this technology still manage to make a total balls up. That clip shows Atkinson trying his best to show that the original decision was correct even when it clearly isn’t. Why? To come up with some BS about armpits is just deflecting the attention away from their own obvious failings.
Even Mr Gray, who as Nil would say hates us :p is saying it’s wrong. He even shows that the new line is angled to meet Atkinson’s agenda.
The whole system is corrupt, inept and a total farce.
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Just found a photo of the inside of Stockley Park….Pagan
https://cdn.pixabay.com/photo/2018/06/22/17/54/casino-3491253_1280.jpg
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Is Paul the Octopus not still available? Had a good record from what I remember.
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Funny thing is, if the linesman hadnβt of flagged for offside, firminos goal would have counted.
Even Andy gray of all people is saying it was a goal
Iβm not one for getting paranoid about refs but Iβm really starting to think Atkinson has an agenda againest us.
Heβs a terrible ref.
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Martin Atkinson needs to remove himself away from the Prem.
I don’t mind the length of time taken as such, but how did Anthony Taylor didn’t give a PEN from VAR? He’s actually a Decent Referee.
I’m actually now a bit worried about next Sunday, something’s going to screw up in the hands of the Officials, because quite simply, they’re appearing to be more incompetent!
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Way way back, perhaps even before we started this thread, I said they purposefully hamstrung VAR and implemented rules along with it, so that the pro-VAR people would say “we don’t want VAR!”
We’ve got to be clear and together is saying that we don’t want their purposeful undermining of technology that could improve our sport.
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Should have been used in Son’s defence and reversed the red notwithstanding the horrible injury suffered, not directly as a result of Son’s foul.
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Well, it turned out that Anthony Taylor who was the match official the Watford vs Chelsea game was the VAR official at Everton vs Spurs game. and Martin Atkinson who was the match official yesterday was the VAR official on Saturday. what was ironic was there was a similar incident that was given against Chelsea yet both officials didn’t check. inconsistency will be the downfall of this VAR system.
Personally. i would like it to succeed as it will improve the game. but it will not improve the game at its current state. unless radical changes are made. one option that everyone was suggesting was the match officials to use the on field screen. yes it’s a good idea. but then again that could be the same unless some else is judging as the views of the on field referee will always remain the same.
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CM… I just think allowing the ref to judge his own call is better than someone off the pitch. It still wont quieten down the screaming middle aged pundits and tv executives who ply us with analysis. Anal being the operative word here for the diet of twitter inspired bile they push out… Here’s what one sky pundit really thinks of you as fans… https://news.sky.com/video/carragher-spits-at-fans-after-being-heckled-11287215
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I certainly agree with those who say the man in the middle should have the final call on all matters. Sure, have the VAR-Soles in the booth tell him he might want to review something on the screen, but having them “overrule” him just isn’t working… can’t take any longer than it does now, surely?
That, or adopt the “Phone a Friend”, “Ask the Audience” and other rules… π
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