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Sean. Why are you surprised that money talks! From the dawns of history money talks. FFP as it stands is a poor and obvious attempt to maintain a cartel. Only an entity with large resources can either break or join a cartel. My guess is UEFA may well rather City and PSG join. Hence there maybe nothing new.
Also if there are problems such as UEFA being taken to court – which they will have difficulty with – it will accelerate a European League. I dont think fans like you and I really want that.The best outcome here is to revamp FFP and NOT use it to support the old cartel.
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Agreed Sean, if found guilty a fine will not suffice imo. Club should be banned from europe for a couple of years and the directors should be banned from football.
It does make you wonder how closely people look at these things.
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To be fair to UEFA they did ban AC Milan from Europe for for a season for breaking the FFP rules but that was overturned by CAS on appeal so there’s not too much UEFA could do about that.
Seemingly UEFA are investigating these Der Spiegel allegations? And if they are and City are found guilty a European ban is possible but I doubt it would be longer than a Season and might still be overturned by CAS just as the AC Milan ban was.
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Yes, however the AC Milan ban was overturned as CAS thought that the ban from Europe was not a proportionate punishment for a breach of FFP break even limits. This wouldn’t just be a breach of FFP limits. This would (if true) be for a whole host of reasons, so much more blatant, as well as a severe breach of FFP break even limits.
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Alfie, firstly the allegations against City have to be investigated seemingly UEFA are doing that assuming that those investigations are happening and that UEFA find City guilty of breaking the rules than they will look to apply a proportional punishment that may or may not be two years.
I suspect City will appeal whatever punishment is passed down to them anywsy should they be found guilty and probably they would also legally appeal against the legal validity of the FFP rules too.
It’s a difficult one to predict but assuming City are found guilty of all of the allegations in Der Spiegel there would probably be a ban from Europe but a two year ban from Europe looks unlikely to me but let’s wait and see how everything progresses.
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Yep.
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Nine, quiet right, however aqusations are still being made and that needs to stop because there is no proof or evidence but we are now called liars as well. When the investigation is complete City will abide by the result unless an appeal is appropiate I think the topic is dead until then because it is all guesswork until then, some of it. OTT
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Spot on Brian.
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Subject closed to me now until any investigation COMPLETED
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One final word on this too.
UEFA know that they are in danger of opening a serious Pandoras box. They will be taken to the European Court as trying to enforce an anti-competetive araangement on behalf of a cartel. I think UEFA will lose and it will end up in a mess. Real, Barca, PSG, Chelsea , Utd to name but a few will all have flaws. They will be exposed …..total mess.
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City are refusing to cooperate with the UEFA investigation. ?
Theyβd prefer for UEFA to unite with them in the fight against cybercrime!
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Why would that be? I guess legal advice.
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It does take a set of balls to claim “it doesn’t count as the e-mails were illegally hack” as a defection technique to get away from what the e-mails said… and takes an even bigger set of balls to claim UEFA should help them with they’re own cyber security.
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Especially when hacked emails have been used in courts to convict people in the past.
Surely they can see that they either broke the rules or they didn’t? Surely they can see if they lied as to the source of their funds in order to pass FFP then UEFA will simply delve deeper with the next set of accounts and whatever money which came from their owner will now be removed for FFP purposes anyway.
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Well, one thing we do know is “John” will be doing very well out of it. Der Spiegel.?..they may fancy themselves as the Washington Post, maybe there circulation has increased somewhere as well
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I think the real question of this thread is βWas FFP1 ever alive?β. If it was the case that the rules were broken so easily with little consequence from UEFA, then the rules were only ever βrulesβ.
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I would wait until any consequence from UEFA was known before answering that question. I keep hearing expulsion.
If true it will have massive knock on effects as spending would be limited to the true income figures.
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Club debt has substantially reduced across Europe following the introduction of FFP.
Both City and PSG were previously punished by UEFA with heavy fines and a reduction in CL squads.
PSG and seemingly City if the Der Spiegel reports are true have seemingly been pushing the boundaries of the rules if that’s proveable and UEFA take strong action it would send out another significant message.
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