International Football – would we miss it?

[sean the sailor]

I agree Paxton. I’ve no time for it. I’d like ireland to qualify as it’s always an excuse for a night out when they are playing but they are absolutldy dire to watch.

I think this is a really week English side when you consider Livermore starts some games. I like the tournaments as it means football just the summer but I hardly take an interest in the qualifiers. So boring and England and Ireland get hammered in the press no matter how they do. It’s crazy such a big nation like England has Southgate as manager. Shows there’s no out there or the fa haven’t a clue at what they are doing

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[nine nine nine]

…..3) plus players need a break from playing football too cramming all of the qualifiers into the Summer would deny all top players that break. What we’ve got may not be perfect but it’s the most sensible route.

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[Chucky McChuckface]

9,nine,nien… agree with point 1, disagree with point 2 (being my thought would be there is no benefit at all have a friendly in February, for exammple, and have a game with 28 substitutions to warm-up for a tourny 6 months down the road, with every player involved having one eye on their next club match anyway and playing at 60%) and with regards to point 3, with my plan/suggestion, the season would still be the same length, you would just have club games first and then internationals afterwards, rather than stopping club games for pointless internationals and extending the club season that way…

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[Anonymous]

Ok so I get that people like international football because it gives them something to look forward to over the summer wth tournaments. But is that just because it’s some format of football and it fills a void? Would you feel exactly the same if there were a few more friendlies and you can watch your team for 2 or 3 more games? I enjoy watching spurs friendlies more than any international game.

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[Blaze]

why cant they play international qualifiers during the week and stop spoiling everyone’s weekends. With the power the national leagues have they should implement this.

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[Chucky McChuckface]

Paxo… I personally struggle with any form of friendlies… there is so much football on this days, watching what is basically a posh training session doesn’t create any form of fizz in my beans.

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[Nike19]

Blaze Power, good point. I think the way the itinerary is when it comes to internationals is what annoys a lot of the fans.

England games to my recollection used to be played on a Wednesday and then it would be business as usual come the weekend.

In the modern day, they practically take a whole week off and then cram in 2 games be it friendlies or actual meaningful games.

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[Anonymous]

so judging by the comments people are split but majority say they would miss it. however not because of any affiliation or passion for international but because of being bored in the summer when domestic football finishes. to me that shows how peoples have international football have changed over the years. no one actually cares, it just fills a football void.

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[nine nine nine]

banjo,

1) International Managers need time to work with the players in their international squads which can’t be limited to just the end of the season imo.

2) if qualifying games were just limited to the summer break player would be playing for 12 months every year which would stretch them even further mentally and physically.

3) the international fixture schedule is dictated by FIFA and UEFA and is unlikely to change any time soon.

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[Chucky McChuckface]

1) we’ll agree to disagree on this, as I feel the manager changes the squad every “meet-up” so having one 12 months before a tournament benefits nobody.

2) perhaps I haven’t explained this properly. The season would still be the same length, you move the international “weeks” after the end of the season and then bring the end of the season forward to close up all the gaps. Would still be the same in length.

3) Yeah, you’re probably right on that (unlikely to change), they need to milk it for all its worth as the expense of us mere mortals! 🙂

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[nine nine nine]

banjo, in order to take qualifying games out of the season with a tournament every other year all the qualifying games would have to go on into the summer break and become a mini tournament ie.

Summer of 2017 All World Cup qualifiers
Summer of 2018 World Cup Finals
Summer of 2019 All Euro qualifiers
Summer of 2020 Euro Finals

So instead of World Cup and Euro qualifiers spread over two years they would all be crammed into each non World Cup and Euro tournaments season end.

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[Chucky McChuckface]

Mate, come on, what part of this is confusing? 🙂

Don’t know the exact numbers but for example, the club season lasts 32 weeks and you have 5 weeks worth of international fixtures, you have 37 weeks of football, with the international weeks mixed in the 37 weeks. Yes?

Now, you play the 32 weeks of club football first, then the 5 weeks of international football AFTER, you still have 37 weeks of football. Yes?

The qualifiers are split over the 2 end of season international periods between tourneys.

The seasons length stays exactly as it is, the tourney’s stay exactly as it is. The only difference is the international fixtures aren’t mixed in with the club football… simples! 🙂

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[nine nine nine]

banjo, last season ran from the 15th Aug to the 21st May the 27th May for the two teams in the Cup Final and pre season club games started from the beginning of July.

Which if you then added 5 weeks of international fixtures would mean the top players had virtually no summer break whatsoever.

It is imo completely impractical and almost certainly never going to happen.

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[Chucky McChuckface]

9,nine,nien… you have to be winding me up! Good one, I almost believed you! Little tip, my cyber chum, nobody (with possibly the exception of Wayne Rooney and Donald Trump) can be that academically challenged not to understand my post 1:15!! I was almost going to make an excel sheet at work but I have no idea how to post one on here! I doff my cap, you had me going good and proper!

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[Nike19]

The pre-season in recent years is made up of tournaments where there is more of a commercial benefit and build on a fan base so I can’t see whether there would be a compromise there to accommodate a block run of England games.

I do feel to pinpoint of one England’s biggest difficulties is to be able to gell together quickly as a unit and not only perform well, but achieve positive results.

Off the top of my head to my recollection, England struggled in Mexico 86 in the qualifying stages only for Lineker to then find his feet and turn on the goals.

The same with Italy 90 when I think it was a late 1-0 winner over Egypt that paved way for us to qualify.

I don’t remember Euro 96, but we didn’t even make the World Cup in 94.

In 98, we didn’t have a bad team and a blend of players, as with 2002. I think after 2006, it started to go downhill for us and from then on as far as tournaments go, we’ve failed miserably.

When there is synergy between players, we seem to get carried away easily. When it comes to a centre stage battle with one of the top national teams, again, we fail miserably because we can’t put in the performances consistently, or we are just consistently inconsistent.

Would a ‘block booking’ over internationals in succession help and improve us? I don’t know.

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[nine nine nine]

banjo, no spread sheets required my post above lays out last season exactly which ended on the 21/05 for every PL club bar Arsenal and Chelsea whose seasons ended on the 27/05 with the Cup Final. The Champions League Final involving Real Madrid and Juventus was a week after the FA Cup Final on June 3rd.

The top clubs started their pre season from the beginning of July.

Those are the facts banjo based on an actual season and whilst the qualifiers for the 2018 World Cup might practically have been built into the few weeks between the end of the 2017 season and the beginning of pre season it would provide the players with no break at all and would stretch them beyond the bounds of reasonableness physically.

No point in falling out about it though because it’s all hypothetical and as you yourself confirmed in an earlier post never going to happen. Cheers 999

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[Chucky McChuckface]

Mate, no insult intended, just can’t work out how you’re not understanding my concept (as pointless as it is as we both agree it’s not going to happen!). The length of the season remains exactly the same, there is no “extension”… we play all club games first so pre-season stays exactly the same, and then we play all the internationals at the end of the season, so the end of the season stays the same, so all summer tourneys/holidays etc.. remain the same. We’re simply re-arranging the “37 week” season so all club games are played back-to-back, and all international games are played back-to-back. The complete season stays exactly the same, the only difference would be the club season finishes a few weeks earlier.

I just don’t get where this whole “extending the season” idea comes into it from your side, my cyber woof woof chum! 🙂

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[whoisbeni]

I’d be delighted if there were no more internationals during a season – let’s just have tournaments at a season end and the worst performers don’t get invited back straight away.

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[nine nine nine]

banjo, last season didn’t end until 21/05,the 27/05 for Arsenal and Chelsea and 3/06 for Juve and RM.

Based on your plan between those dates and pre season for the clubs starting at the beginning of July the World Cup qualifiers would and could be fitted in practically speaking but it would give the players no break whatsoever and risk burn out and further injuries the body needs some time to recover that’s my point.

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[Chucky McChuckface]

Mate, come on, buddy, fluffy furry friend, the season stays exactly the same length, I really don’t how else I can explain it. There are no extra games, the season doesn’t go on longer.

Let me try and explain it another way!! 🙂

Go and get 32 Mars Bars and 5 Twix’s, lay them out on a table next to each other with the Twix’s mixed up between them. Hopefully, you’ll get a row of 37 chocolate bars, with little gold slithers of packaging mixed up with the Mars Bars.

Now take out all the Twix’s, bunch up all the Mars Bars, and put all the Twix’s back down next to each other at the end. You may be surprised to note you still have 37 chocolate bars, but with all the gold ones at one end and NO EXTRA CHOCOLATE BARS ANYWHERE!!!!

Are we clear now? 🙂

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