Goodbye Bolton?

[steveosnakeeye]

Looks like this reallycoul;d happen and if it does it will be a pure travesty

what strikes me tho is the crowds all clubs USED to get back in the day compared to today….why is that?

surely for a match day it would make more sense to lower prices and have filled grounds every week?

but how can clubs like Bolton get so many fans in yesteryear and struggle today? even if they were CL and PL champs you feel they wouldnt get a huge turn out yet there are more people today

lot of history will be lost of this does happen as looks like it will

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[nine nine nine]

Stevo, be terrible if Bolton go under we can only hope that someone comes in at the last minute and saves them.

They are 4 times FA Cup Winners for goodness sake but footballs changed so much since then and people attach themselves to the top Clubs for the glory even though they live in another part of the country miles from the Club they support and only ever watch football on TV from the comfort of their armchairs and of course in Bolton’s case it’s even worse they are only 12 miles from both United and City.

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[Mikus LFC]

I see sky sports news have been showing a countdown clock to 5 pm. Is that really necessary, and also somewhat bad taste? Good news, bad news, it’s all about the drama to them isn’t it.

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[Nike19]

Yep, albeit the actual 90 minute Broadcast, this is why I don’t Sky like I used to. It’s all about just getting a fast-buck. They’re not taking into consideration the deep emotions and people’s livelihoods attached to Bolton, good or bad.

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[Anonymous]

You’re damn right Mikus, it’s totally classless of them. They could partially make up for it if the reporting is quality but if they are transfer deadlining a potential winding up of a club, you know they’ll go the whole hog on the drama.

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[nine nine nine]

Bury takeover has collapsed great shame hope someone can save somehow save them but currently things are looking very bleak for both them and Bolton.

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[nine nine nine]

Bury is less than 10 miles from Manchester it would be nice to see both those Super rich Clubs somehow to something to come to Burys aid particularly United who used to play their reserve team games at Gigg Lane.

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[Brian blue]

Agree with everyone about Sky…classless and shows what kind of management they have. No fan, from any club wants to see this kind of thing..disgraceful

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[Pagan]

There’s an awful lot of money that comes into the English game, where does it all go?

With transfers between English clubs it stays in our game, but with transfers from abroad it’s lost, we do obviously get some back, but I would think there’s quite a difference between the money going out and coming in.

The rest, well very few teams make a substantial profit so the rest of it goes out of the game. Running costs for the clubs takes a small proportion, agents fees take some as well, but the vast majority goes on the ridiculous wages that players get paid, so when the ex players/pundits say the whole issue with Bolton and Bury needs looking into by the FA, they’d probably be better looking into a mirror for the true cause….Pagan

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[nine nine nine]

Brian, I didn’t see the clock and agree it sounds like it wasn’t in the best taste but there’s sometimes an inclination on here to attack Sky no matter what and I think some of it may go back in history and to Sky’s original ownership.

Personally putting aside the above and the clock issue which as I said I didn’t see I think Sky Sports News and Sky News have done a really good job over several days of publicising the plight of both Bury and Bolton at a time when it needed publicising and I truly hope something good might come from that.

I remember the bad old days at Chelsea, the collection buckets to try snd Save the Bridge, nearly losing the Bridge to properly developers, being close to going completely belly up as a Club so I can sympathize with the fans of Bury and Bolton and can feel their pain and I know City fans can relate to that.

Football Clubs are part of the community and live in fans hearts forever whether your a supporter of Bury, Bolton or Barcelona.

Hopefully someone somewhere recognises that and helps to save both Club’s. Cheers 9’s

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[nine nine nine]

Pagan. good points I wonder whether the PL should set up a monthly percentage contribution from the Club’s which they hold as a fund to help out Clubs like Bolton and Bury to try and help save them for the fans a bit like the Pension Protection Fund that kicks in in such situations with so much money swilling around in the game this shouldn’t be happening.

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[Pagan]

999, I’d like to see a tariff on youth players, if a prem club takes a youth player from a lower league club they pay a pittance, maybe if the club they are at when they turn 23 pays a percentage of their worth back to the club that developed them that may put a bit more money back into the lower leagues….Pagan

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[Nike19]

Both PL and EFL should in my opinion set up some king of a Fund raiser. The More Richer clubs can make a contribution and it wouldn’t really hinder them financially.

Imagine if all 20 PL Clubs contributed just 2 million each. I don’t know what sort of amount is needed, but at least some financial stability can be restored.

Of course, it’s not one’s obligation, but I thought Football was about togetherness and one big community I don’t want to sound like some kind of a Socialist, but the disparity starring in your faces when some players fetch thousands of pounds a week (a lot of the time just turning up for Training) and we see a historical club like Bolton about to go under.

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[Mikus LFC]

Community is indeed the key word here, and in a world where we seem to be losing more and more lynchpins that help bind a community together, this goes beyond football. And therefore there is indeed a part “nationalisation” argument here as Nil alludes to that would help protect clubs. The German model doesn’t look a bad model in that regard and whilst many may point to the lesser quality in the Bundesliga, at the same time, you look at how vibrant the community and clubs are and how intertwined they are, that’s first and foremost what it’s all about.

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[nine nine nine]

Allegedly it needs £3m to save Bury. That’s a drop in the ocean to some of our most affluent Clubs and even some of our most affluent players this should not be happening.

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[Anonymous]

If the PL bail these 2 out then other clubs will feel more secure in taking serious financial risks. The league already has a 12 point deduction for teams who go bankrupt to act as an extra incentive to watch their finances. Although a part of me thinks that the PL clubs should save them (and maybe they should), each club has to be responsible with their finances.

On the other hand, this could highlight an issue and that is that the PL might not be supporting the lower leagues enough. I don’t know how PL TV money is shared beyond the PL, it might not be at all. If not then I think it’s time that we created more of a trickle down system. Obviously this would be a lot of money but relatively, it doesn’t actually have to be THAT much. Championship sides seem to be kinda ok for now, so the focus might be better suited below that.

If they dont do that and instead go for a kinda bail-out system then it’s got to come at a cost, or everyone will just purposefully do it. Maybe these clubs surrender board control until the debt is payed back. They could still play without being deducted points but their club is placed under arbitration by a 3rd party. Now where does this go? perhaps to selling assets, on a small scale but I think you could take this beyond a short term quick fire solution and control a club for 2 years. I mean I’m sure there are 100 reasons why not to do this but isn’t it better than relegating or dissolving a club?

it wasn’t too long ago that Liverpool were in a dodgy situation (not quite as bad but very bad). What if our club stopped existing. what would we do? Support Arsenal? No offense lads at all but no thanks.

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[Chucky McChuckface]

Kinda with Micky on this one… as sad as it is to see clubs go under, it was probably piss-poor management that led to this (no idea what happened with Bury and/or Bolton) otherwise we would be seeing a lot more clubs going under. Football is a free-market. Bad decisions cause bankruptcies. Have a “bail-out” system will only encourage clubs to take more risks. And who the fook would want to support Arsenal?? 🙂

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[steveosnakeeye]

its ok Nancy we wont be needing any bail outs just yet, anyway are your club not the one in “crisis”? 😉

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[Chucky McChuckface]

ooOOooOooOoooo… somebody had a big bowl of funny for breakfast… how did the paper round go? 🙂

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[steveosnakeeye]

still on it! got me BMX and a Sony Walkman with the topgun (original) soundtrack playing…..have this done in no time!

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