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Ed, I think that Liverpool team Klopp inherited was a shadow of the one that went close to the league title, and there was still quite an overhaul needed.
Cups are always a difficult barometer of success Mikus. League position is a much more reliable barometer. Cups can be so hit and miss
I think good cup runs or successes tell you a lot about the spirit and dynamic in the dressing room. Trophies are what players want. They breed a winning mentality. And they highlight the effect a manager is having on the players. In any case, I’m talking here about the first season or so a manager is in charge – and the signs of whether they’ve got it and can deliver on the big stage. I think a top manager has to show these signs relatively early on. Or else I don’t think they’ll make it in the longer term.
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I think a top manager has to show these signs relatively early on. Or else I donโt think theyโll make it in the longer term.
But what are these signs? Is getting to a cup final a sign of being able to deliver? Because Ole got to a final and came second in the league. Di Matteo won the CL very early. Where is he now? Even Tuchel has question marks over him now despite a CL win. Are we saying then that Ten Hag simply has to get to a final early on (or is a semi-final ok?), irrespective of what he does in the league, as it’s a sign of having “what it takes”? The fact is, it took Klopp 3 years to win something at Liverpool. Many managers have got to finals very early in their careers only to massively fail afterwards.
There’s no way he’s getting 2 years, or even 1, if he doesn’t show signs of progress but to judge that on cups or nearly winning cups is not going to be the deciding factor IMO.
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Sorry Ed, just seen your later post. Yes I generally agree with that – but the problem at Utd I think is the board may see steady progress as just enough, and I think early on you need to see more than that and cups enable you to see that. I think even during some of Fergie’s transitions at Utd, you’d still see them winning the league cup. Because I think they’re integral with building a winning machine.
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Ed, my humble view on this: I actually believe that’s part of the cycle of United’s downfall; the changing of Managers. Glaziers get blamed (rightly to a degree), then Gary Neville is out with the word “Recruitment” which then becomes every media guy’s favourite buzzword, but in my view, you need somebody to come in, lay the foundations, then be allowed to build something.
Too Many managerial changes since 2013. Ed, I don’t particularly like Chelsea’s blueprint even though it’s brought them success in them letting them through the trapdoor the moment they fail expectations.
I know like Liverpool, expectations are huge, but when you’ve fallen from grace, you have to accept, League Titles and Champions Leagues won’t reappear overnight.
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Nil/Nine…you are forgetting somebody…Maguire, Forfana and Mahrez!!! That is a good lot of money
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Brian, my uncle’s a lifelong season ticket holder for Leicester and long before covid Leicester had money in the kitty (he mentioned), something like 40 million and I’m talking around 2019. You’re right on Mahrez. I don’t know the full extent/impact of covid so I am going by Nine’s word in good faith.
Also, judging by Brendan Rodger’s thoughts on the back of the victory gave me the impression the owners hadn’t done enough, although there is also the FFP alignment and my guess is the investment made on the training ground.
I would say I am bamboozled when deconstructing this.
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Nil…fans like us will never understand the running of a football club. I often think if you take any match and have 20/30/49/50K fans there and ask them to pick a team they will all have different teams!!!
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Brian, in humblest of thoughts, yes I agree. Looking back in hindsight with laughter, it was only my local radio station on ‘default’ that led me on to this subject in the first place. It bored me to death in all honesty. Nothing to do with me.
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Brian and Nil, morning lads. There’s no way that any of us can sensibly unpick Leicester’s financial situation from the outside.
What we do know is that the new training ground cost ยฃ100m and that the ยฃ80m Maguire fee allegedly went towards financing that it does look a terrific facility.
As far as the Fofana fee goes I doubt Chelsea will have paid it all up front there is a sell on clause to St Etienne I’m not sure for how much and ยฃ15m of that fee was spent on a replacement.
The owners main business is the Duty Free business which understandably has been hit badly by a lack of Airline passengers traveling due to COVID leading to much less business in their Duty Free stores.
There is an explanation on how the Board see the current financial situation in the midweek programme v United which is currently reprinted on the Club site if you’re interested to read it. Cheers 9’s
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Ever heard of the concept of wisdom of the crowd Brian?
Look it up its very interesting, with regards your example of fans picking different teams if you were to aggregate the answers and pick the most common players selected it would invariably be the best team.
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Lucky, sorry just saw your post yday. I think itโs to early to judge utds defence. Letโs see how they are getting on in 15 ganes.
I wasnโt expecting to see utd to play like Ajax but was just wondering if you could see any of ten hag style showing in any games. Utd didbt pass from the back in last few games. Friend of mine was moaning about it yday as de gea is going long now more then he was in his first few games.
As you say itโs early days. Letโs see how things are in 20 games
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Yeah Sean, I think De Gea being there is not helping the transition to playing out from the back. It’s a tricky one. He’s a great shot stopper but is often rooted to his line and has poor distribution. On the other hand, he’s one of the club’s top earners. I think Ten Hag would have liked to have replaced him but saw other more pressing areas which needed reinforcing first. He’s already proven to be ruthless in dropping Maguire and Ronaldo and I think, but for a lack of a replacement, would not have hesitated to do the same with De Gea. It’s going to be a slow process. Definitely signs showing in Utd’s play so far, albeit it’s in patches rather than an entire game. Way too early to make any judgements either way.
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Don’t know if you saw this in the first half Sean but there have been a few really nice moves like that where we beat the press with some nice passing moves. All very patchy for now but positive early signs
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