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Oh, an according to the interweb, Palace had a “net-spend” of 34m more this summer than the Spuds did, so I would suggest they’re a money-club too… bastards!! π
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Ed you said you wouldn’t have bielsa at utd, and I agree with that he has done nothing to deserve to manage one of the greatest clubs in history of football, but has clearly done far more than ole and so I found it strange that you seemed to have higher standards for Leeds manager than you do utd. But not confused now as you have cleared it up by confirming you believe ole is better fit for utd than bielsa which I accept as your opinion.
I believe however that the utd squad ole had last year should sleepwalk to 80 points there is nothing remarkable what so ever about oles reign at utd (except net spend of course), but bielsa’s time at Leeds has been remarkable which is why I am defending him and using ole as comparison in discussion with a utd fan who is criticising bielsa.
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Ultimately a managers job is to create something greater than sum of its parts, you can write a list of managers in prem league doing that better than bielsa has but it would be short and ole wouldn’t be on it imo.
I just think criticism of bielsa for getting destroyed by 2 of the greatest teams in world football is a bit over the top.
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Well I didn’t want Ole at Utd either so I’m not sure I understand the point. Of course I’m fully behind him now and believe he surpassed my and most expectations last season. Utd were 4th favourites and came 2nd.
Considering how much Lampard and Arteta (often compared for their similar lack of experience before getting a top job) struggled, Ole did a great job last season. I still think he’ll fail to live up to the heightened expectations this season and ultimately lose his job (I’ve always maintained this) but I’ll be happy to be proved wrong about him again.
I still wouldn’t want Bielsa at Utd. He’s known for causing all sorts of problems at clubs and it’s very telling that, despite his wonderful “philosophy”, not one big club has wanted to take a punt on him in 30 years. Why is that?
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Lucky, there are countless managers who have brought clubs up from the Championship and then realised they’re out of their depth. It’s very possible to be great at managing under certain circumstances but not very good at others. Look at Moyes now who is flourishing again and making another side greater than the sum of its parts. Poch is another example. Had a philosophy, often did a decent job at Spurs, exceeding expectations. Then failed to win a one team league last season and failed to win their version of the Community shield for the first time in 8 years for PSG.
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I agree lucky. Leeds just need to get going. They didnβt conced to utd, Chelsea last season at home and drew all home games with the top 4.
I think there issue at the minute is they are still finding fitness. They need to be absolutely super super fit for their style of play.They had a great season last year yet after 4 games are being wrote off
I donβt think Leeds priority is top 6 at all at least not for a few years. Itβs about staying in the league. One thing Iβd question bielsa about is signing James for 30m
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Sean, I don’t think anyone on here is writing Leeds off. Nine merely said they’re some way off top 6. I said I’d be frustrated as a Leeds fan and wouldn’t want him managing my team and Foxy doubts he’ll get top 6 with them. I think everyone knows they can be very good at times and will cause the big sides problems in some games.
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Lads I was going mad watching Ox. I’m glad I’m not the only one who was frustrated with him. I can’t understand why Klopp still has him anywhere near the team.
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But why are people even talking about top 6 Ed? Leeds priority should be to stay in the league for the new few seasons . They havent been in the pl for 16 years.
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Ed if this was Leeds and bielsa’s first season back then I wouldn’t be arguing, but its not thet survived comfortably last season, he isn’t out of his depth.
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Especially when their recruits are not great or many
When Dan janes is your club record signing you have a long way to go to be considered for top 6
Even we are above them!!
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The talk about top 6 is for one reason only Sean, the work bielsa has done already means top 6 is the next step, but that is remarkable in itself and deserves high praise imo and I don’t think any manager would be able to take Leeds top 6 in next 3 seasons at least
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I’m not sure Sean. He’s obviously done a great job getting Leeds this far. No arguments there from me. I just don’t think he can do much more with them. I think they’ll be around mid-table again. In fairness, that’s still not bad considering where they were. I’m not convinced they could get someone better either. They’ll continue to surprise the big sides now and again and get absolutely battered now and again. That may suit Leeds but he’d get slaughtered for it at a top club, hence why nobody has been willing to give him a top job.
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Some excellent points from you all on the Leeds matter. Top 6 might have been mentioned off hand, not as a target?
He definitely has made Leeds into a team that is more than the sum of their parts and Ole, as yet hasnt.
I remember some rather in-depth discussions with Ed about our disagreements with the Utd board in hiring and extending his contract, so ya, he’s definitely not a fanboy or anything.
Personally, I dont think Ole will see out the season but with the new signings, you never know. For me, Utd will want to get a top class manager in to get the best out of the now rather incredible squad.
You can say one thing about them, they are at least signing the right players now.
As for Leeds, definitely not writing then off in the slightest. They have had a tough start. They will feed off of the lower and mid table teams for plenty of points. Another few well executed transfer windows and we can seriously look at top 6, maybe.
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Yeah but Ed you questioned whether he was a myth only appreciated by hipsters, now you saying he done a great job which I agree with so I guess debate over π
Good job anyway got a bloody funeral to attend, catch you later lads and thanks for the distractions this morning, much needed π
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No I do very much think he’s a myth π. I think he’s done a great job to get Leeds out of the Championship. Just as I think Daniel Farke did great with Norwich and Chris Wilder did with Sheff Utd. That he should carry this aura though and be lauded as a genius is, I think, not at all warranted considering how badly they get torn apart at times. As I said, I genuinely can’t remember a more naive side turning up at Old Trafford twice in 2 seasons. We could have had 8 or 9 in that first game.
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He does seems very stubborn and just plays the one way. Doesnβt adapt to different treats or situations
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It must be a handicap Bielsa still seemingly not being able to speak English in his 4th season in England.
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Ye I donβt get that nine. Learn the language
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Nine…that, more than anything must frustrate him, his staff and the players….not sustainable. He has done a good job to date and the current results maybe an early blip but it must be difficult operating with a language barrier on a number of levels.
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