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So Pep is going to be fined for hoping the referee has a good game!
Guardiola had said: “He is going to try to do the best job like we try to as managers and football players.

“Mr Taylor is going to try to have a good game. The important thing is to focus on our game and, of course, knowing which opponent we are going to face and that is all.

“Hopefully he can make good decisions for both sides and it will a good game. All England and all Europe is going to watch us. That is the most important pleasure.”

Absolutely shocking dear oh dear. And it wasnt sarcastic!

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[Anonymous]

oz yob – how can you say the premier league is boring and is a one horse race? there have been 4 different winners in the last 6 years. yes this city team are brilliant but they arent exactly running away with it. for the first time ever, 3 teams are unbeaten at this stage of the season and spurs and arsenal arent a million miles behind. even if city win it (as expected) that doesnt mean its boring. if anything this is the most open its ever been. until recent years it was always at best a 2 horse race with it being united plus one of chelsea, arsenal and city. there will always be a favourite but the favourite doesnt always win.

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Dead right Paxton

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[Hightown hope]

Pax – I couldn’t agree more with you. I’m surprised Oz is calling the Prem boring. There are 4 or 5 very good teams who all play very good football and who are all within 5 points of each other. Unfortunately for the rest of us, one of those teams is not just very good, and they probably will win the league, but you have to commend the chasing pack. They are all hanging in there…at least for the time being. The Premiership is many things, but boring is not one of them

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[sean the sailor]

Last year it was boring as city were out in front already but not now

I do think they will pull away soon buts been an exciting 12 games and delighted were Liverpool are

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[Hightown hope]

Yeah, I agree Sean. I think they’ll pull away by the end of the year – they are a fabulous team. But at Anfield the other week, it wasn’t blindingly obvious who the huge favourites were. The trouble is we and the other challengers are far more likely to slip up than City are. But it ain’t boring like other European leagues (with an honourable exception being the Bundesliga this year).

And this why I can’t understand some of the City fans being paranoid that everyone hates them. They don’t hate them, but they do want them beaten!

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[Chucky McChuckface]

It’s interesting about the “boring” Prem comments… although I would agree it’s very hard to see past City winning it again, they really are the cream of the crop but there are 5 other pretty decent teams chasing them, certainly not a one horse race. But, on the other hand, I think the “Top 6” now are a reasonable distance away from the other 14 and, although I don’t have stats to back it up (and can’t be arsenaled to look for them!), it feels like there hasn’t been as many “upsets” this year, and pretty much the vast majority of points dropped has simply been to other Top 6 sides. Like I said, no stats, just a feeling. Unless it’s a “Top 6 Six pointer”, the majority of games have been a little bit predictable.

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[nine nine nine]

I think Liverpool remain the most credible challengers to City for all sorts of reasons and that Liverpool’s best chance is that they drop out of the CL in the round of 16 and City go all the way in the CL picking up difficult draws along the way that might swing it in Liverpool’s favour.

Having said that I wouldn’t discount City going unbeaten all season in the PL this season.

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[Mikus LFC]

The top 6 is continuing to pull away from the other 14 teams. There is undoubtedly this mentality in the league now that from the TV marketing point of view, it’s all about the top 6 clashes. Any non top 6 clash will usually involve a top 6 club and the mentality is then to provide a cannon fodder club to allow the best players in the world to show their stuff and entertain the cameras, and also the corporate guests. Man Utd are supposedly the worst of the current top 6 yet recently despatched the best of the rest in Everton and Bournemouth.

As for this idea that at least there are more teams competing for the league, well thats fine if you happen to be a supporter of a top 6 club, but what if you aren’t? Teams may have dominated in previous decades but that didn’t mean that spending an absolute fortune was the only way to beat dominating teams. The reason why nobody could knock Man Utd off the top for a long time was due to poor strategies and discipline from the other clubs. But instead many seem to have bought this idea that money was the only way that such teams could be beaten and by following this path, ironically, it has created an environment where money is pretty much now the only way to beat teams at the top.

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[Oz Yob]

Sorry lads a bit of bad wording there. The EPL is the most competitive league & outside c$ty it’s interesting, I meant it’s boring in that you knew before the season started who was going to win it. Anyone who thinks LFC or anyone else for that matter are “competition” for c$ty are kidding themselves. They simply have way too big a squad & as the season rolls on they will pull away. I’d love to see someone challenge them but it just won’t happen. They will have it wrapped up with games to spare.

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[Anonymous]

(Response to Aussie for post @ 12th November 2018 at 10:46 am)

Man city are for me the best PL side ever and the current best team in the world. However, you state that it’s like every other league in the world and I don’t agree. I mean, I do and I don’t. Man City are going to be almost impossible to beat the title. They won’t drop many points at all, like last season. However, in my opinion, this isn’t down to anything usual at all. I think that if it weren’t for an anomaly of them being of such a super high quality, that we’d have a legitimate 5 horse race.

The PL is by far the most competitive in league that I am aware of, with teams like Fulham who, this summer, spend more than most other top clubs in the world and are suffering horribly for it. It shows the true quality of a league when you can’t just buy good players and succeed. They need time and the proper instruction to achieve anything here.

Looking at the big clubs then, the 2 “new” projects are doing extremely well, playing great football and getting results. Klopp, Pep and Poch are further on in their projects and each are rightly thought very highly of. We’re better than we were last season (besides needing to click , offensively) and we made the CL final last season.

The PL has 5 top class teams right now, it’s just a shame that the best of them is OUT OF THIS WORLD GOOD.

I’ll go ahead and back my words up with a prediction. I think we’ll have an English winner of the CL this season. I think it’s going to be Man City, if you want me to be more precise. Well, Man City if we don;t stop them again anyway. I don’t think anyone else has a chance. I don’t even think we’ve got as good a chance as last season but this post is long enough 😉

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[Anonymous]

I guess I lied… So, I’ll add that I predicted that Liverpool would win the league this season. However, I don’t think I’d have made that prediction had I not been a Liverpool supporter. I do think we’re a very good team with a world class manager but I’ve never been more impressed by a team than this Man City. I’ve never seen a team play as good against us as Man City did last season. An odd thing to say, given that we beat them 3 times but there was something about their unrelenting determination, combined with an incredible technical display. I got the sense that had we not been on tip top form and also not lucky enough to have it so our strength was their kind of weakness, that we’d have had no chance, like every bloody one else they played!

All that said, I’m not surrendering the title to City. They’ll have to do as well as last season to win it and they won’t win it by the same margin as last season. I say this not just thinking about Liverpool. The top 5 probably have more points now than ever before in a PL season, at the same stage. Liverpool have never opened a season this well. We’ve dropped 6 points from 12 ****ing games! That’s absolutely incredible and yet if you asked the fans, almost all would say the title will be going to City. That’s frightening stuff and I don’t know how to feel about it. It’s brilliant but also depressing 😛

It’ll be a long season and anything can happen. Everyone thought Rome couldn’t be conquered too but Hannibal had something to say about that. I think we can all agree (Citeh fans aside) that it really would be in everyone’s best interests for Man City to lose a game soon 😛

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[Anonymous]

mak – it has been a fascinating start. city, liverpool and chelsea unbeaten after 12. spurs have dropped 9 points in 12 despite £0 invested in the squad, a mountain of injuries and having played 8 away games already. arsenal look a much better team this season as well. dont worry about predicting liverpool to win it, there were many people that did and they still might. the prospect that city are doing this arguably without their best player is scary however maybe they have found a better formula without KDB. only time will tell.

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[Oz Yob]

Yeah Mak as I said last post it came across the wrong way. Outside c$ty it’s would indeed be a fascinating competition but they are just streets ahead of everyone else so the ultimate prize is already won IMO & I think anyone is kidding themselves if they think anyone else will win it. In that regard it takes the excitement out of it for me & I find it boring knowing they will skip away again.
They say we are the best chance of catching them but I don’t care what anyone says I don’t think we are playing well & I reckon it’ll start to catch up with us. I can see us dropping points in the near future. We have only beaten PSG out of the top teams we’ve played & I don’t think we will just all of a sudden find form like some do. I would be very surprised if we progress in the C/L but like 9 says maybe that is the only hope of anyone catching c$ty but I can’t see it.

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[Brian blue]

It was not that long ago when Utd, Liverpool Chelsea and Arsenal dominated the league, they were untouchable but few moaned about it, they just got on with supporting there team. All appears to have changed now and some think there is a historic right to be winning again. As far as I am concerned there are 6 teams in contention for the title, a few point difference, City are not running away with it but keeping pace with the others. City will only concentrate on there own game and hopefully win matches, others should do the same. Of course Liverpool and others can win it, I do not understand why everybody is so defeastest. You should not be waiting for City to loose but make sure you win, that is what puts pressure on City. Utds performance on Sunday typfies a deafest mentality before they started, despite Joses excuses.
He is on about Pogba missing but we had KDb missing a far better player than Pogba. Liverpool shown last season that they had a desire to beat us but did not maintain the level. What is true, more than ever before is, it is a squad game, and whoever comes in must fit the tactical plan or they do not get in the squad or the team no matter who…that is Peps thinking So guys, a little more optimism and a smile. A long way to go yet

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[Oz Yob]

Brian difference was any one of them could win it, now c$ty are just streets ahead of everyone. You can say 2,3,4 or 5 other teams could win it but I think deep down everyone knows c$ty will win it comfortably. Yes LFC beat c$ty a few times last season but as you say it’s a squad game & with pretty much unlimited funds c$ty have simply bought a way better squad than everyone else & when you add a top manager it’s goong to take a lot more than luck to catch up.

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[Hightown hope]

Oz…we’ve also beaten Spurs away this season, so it’s not just PSG of the top sides we’ve beaten.

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[Brian blue]

Oz yob…I think Makaveli put it in perspective. When Liverpool beat City three times last season you always had the sense that City were trying and would learn from the experience, that is what I like about City now, they keep trying and yes, they will loose matches but they will attack until the 90 minute and there is amentality amongst the players, it is noticeable. I put that down to Pep. When you think of the players brought in, not the Messi/Ronaldo/Mpbabbe/Neymar etc but players under the radar like Bernadinho, Laporte, Sane and Jesus you could add a few more. Yes , we paid good money for them but they have been bargains and fit the City profile. Pep has stated that he will not sign anybody that does not fit what he is doing. Liverpool put in a super effort to do it and it is going to take that effort to do it again or City will triumph again

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[Adlab]

Great comments chaps. Well balanced.
Unlike the press articles in relation to the Der Spiegel stuff.
The cartel is worried about what may come out!

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[Anonymous]

Aussie, I’ve been saying it for ages now that we’ve not played well offensively at all this season. We were winning games by a thread and that is all and great the odd time but it’s not sustainable. If you’ll allow it, I’d like to ask if all the people who told me to stop moaning agree with me now? I think that they do now that we’ve dropped some points in the PL and CL that we shouldn’t have. I do think we’re coming back to form offensively though, kinda. Firmino isn’t playing well. Klopp dropped him to the number 10 the last day and it’s either he does it again to hope he finds form, or he drops him. Our options up there aren’t fantastic but that’s another conversation.

I don’t think we’re heading out of the CL but we’ve really made it difficult on ourselves. There is no more space for messing around and that’s just uncomfortable.

I’m not entirely ruling out us catching City. They are amazing but they are fallible, even if they don’t seem to be. I’m just not massively confident about it and I totally get what you mean when you say that it kinda takes the fun out of it. I think that we put a serious challenge in to win the PL, another year without this incredible City. They set the bar high but we’ve raised our own level year on year with Klopp.

Do you remember the 1.5 – 2 years or so under Klopp where our defence was RUBBISH? There were times when I thought maybe he wouldsn’t resolve it. I know others felt the same way but look at us now? We’ve got one of the best defences around. We already had one of the best attacks around last season, so we already know Klopp can do it there. I mean, that is of course if Buvac leaving hasn’t set us back there. If that’s the case that won’t be recovered. Someone on here or the other place mentioned that Buvac was removed because he hadn’t been concentrating on his job, so if that’s true then it can’t be him… so fingers crossed.

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