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Pagan, your first sentence suggests that should I not have been able to watch Chelsea v Newcastle I would have been more likely to have watched Palace v City, the game sky paid for, and that is neither true in my case nor substantiated to be true of football fans as a whole. The highlights advert revenue doesnt really count for much either as match of the day have rights to the highlights and are commercial free and funded by licence payer, because of this Sky cant claim exclusivity to the highlights any way.
I do agree that piracy of the games shown by BT and SKY will lead to lower viewing figures and lower revenue’s, I was making that point earlier and its the Prem leagues job to ensure they provide the consumer with as good as value for money as possible because every fan would prefer to pay for quality broadcasts over pirate streams when comfortably affordable, just as every fan would prefer to watch the game from the stands instead of the armchair.
Your second para presumes that the 5 million people dont support a team of their own and just need to watch one game, any game, each saturday, and that the broadcaster has paid for the exclusive rights to fulfil this need and show one game. Thats not what the 5 million want at all. The 5 million is made up of fans of many clubs, and they want to see their team first and foremost. But of course, as above, people illegally watching the game the broadcaster shows will reduce the numbers.
Ultimately international TV rights bring just over 3bn to prem, UK alone brings in over 5bn, why does the rest of the world get much better value for money than us? They can see any game live. Dont you agree that the fans are being treated with a little bit of contempt when you consider the convoluted way we are sold games to milk as much money as possible without giving us everything they can give? I agree with Nine in that the broadcasters are not the bad guys, but I do think the Prem league are.
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Pagan, your first sentence suggests that should I not have been able to watch Chelsea v Newcastle I would have been more likely to have watched Palace v City, the game sky paid for, and that is neither true in my case nor substantiated to be true of football fans as a whole. The highlights advert revenue doesnt really count for much either as match of the day have rights to the highlights and are commercial free and funded by licence payer, because of this Sky cant claim exclusivity to the highlights any way.
I do agree that piracy of the games shown by BT and SKY will lead to lower viewing figures and lower revenue’s, I was making that point earlier and its the Prem leagues job to ensure they provide the consumer with as good as value for money as possible because every fan would prefer to pay for quality broadcasts over pirate streams when comfortably affordable, just as every fan would prefer to watch the game from the stands instead of the armchair.
Your second para presumes that the 5 million people dont support a team of their own and just need to watch one game, any game, each saturday, and that the broadcaster has paid for the exclusive rights to fulfil this need and show one game. Thats not what the 5 million want at all. The 5 million is made up of fans of many clubs, and they want to see their team first and foremost. But of course, as above, people illegally watching the game the broadcaster shows will reduce the numbers.
Ultimately international TV rights bring just over 3bn to prem, UK alone brings in over 5bn, why does the rest of the world get much better value for money than us? They can see any game live. Dont you agree that the fans are being treated with a little bit of contempt when you consider the convoluted way we are sold games to milk as much money as possible without giving us everything they can give? I agree with Nine in that the broadcasters are not the bad guys, but I do think the Prem league are.
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– Pagan, your first sentence suggests that should I not have been able to watch Chelsea v Newcastle I would have been more likely to have watched Palace v City, the game sky paid for, and that is neither true in my case nor substantiated to be true of football fans as a whole. The highlights advert revenue doesnt really count for much either as match of the day have rights to the highlights and are commercial free and funded by licence payer, because of this Sky cant claim exclusivity to the highlights any way.
I do agree that piracy of the games shown by BT and SKY will lead to lower viewing figures and lower revenue’s, I was making that point earlier and its the Prem leagues job to ensure they provide the consumer with as good as value for money as possible because every fan would prefer to pay for quality broadcasts over pirate streams when comfortably affordable, just as every fan would prefer to watch the game from the stands instead of the armchair.
Your second para presumes that the 5 million people dont support a team of their own and just need to watch one game, any game, each saturday, and that the broadcaster has paid for the exclusive rights to fulfil this need and show one game. Thats not what the 5 million want at all. The 5 million is made up of fans of many clubs, and they want to see their team first and foremost. But of course, as above, people illegally watching the game the broadcaster shows will reduce the numbers.
Ultimately international TV rights bring just over 3bn to prem, UK alone brings in over 5bn, why does the rest of the world get much better value for money than us? They can see any game live. Dont you agree that the fans are being treated with a little bit of contempt when you consider the convoluted way we are sold games to milk as much money as possible without giving us everything they can give? I agree with Nine in that the broadcasters are not the bad guys, but I do think the Prem league are.
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Think I just broke this thread! Reply wouldnt show up, so went back and copied my post to post again and its said duplicate even though my original post wasnt posted.
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Pagan, your first sentence suggests that should I not have been able to watch Chelsea v Newcastle I would have been more likely to have watched Palace v City, the game sky paid for, and that is neither true in my case nor substantiated to be true of football fans as a whole. The highlights advert revenue doesnt really count for much either as match of the day have rights to the highlights and are commercial free and funded by licence payer, because of this Sky cant claim exclusivity to the highlights any way.
I do agree that piracy of the games shown by BT and SKY will lead to lower viewing figures and lower revenue’s, I was making that point earlier and its the Prem leagues job to ensure they provide the consumer with as good as value for money as possible because every fan would prefer to pay for quality broadcasts over pirate streams when comfortably affordable, just as every fan would prefer to watch the game from the stands instead of the armchair.
Your second para presumes that the 5 million people dont support a team of their own and just need to watch one game, any game, each saturday, and that the broadcaster has paid for the exclusive rights to fulfil this need and show one game. Thats not what the 5 million want at all. The 5 million is made up of fans of many clubs, and they want to see their team first and foremost. But of course, as above, people illegally watching the game the broadcaster shows will reduce the numbers.
Ultimately international TV rights bring just over 3bn to prem, UK alone brings in over 5bn, why does the rest of the world get much better value for money than us? They can see any game live. Dont you agree that the fans are being treated with a little bit of contempt when you consider the convoluted way we are sold games to milk as much money as possible without giving us everything they can give? I agree with Nine in that the broadcasters are not the bad guys, but I do think the Prem league are.
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Hi Lucky,
Point 1, I think Sky have the rights to show the highlights before anyone else, not sure if they still do the red button thing where you got to see extended highlights of all the games, about an hour long including adverts. BBC show their highlights after Sky. Personally I donβt think the prem give a toss about value for money, just about making as much money as they can.
Point 2, I would say the vast majority of fans follow a team of their choice, but deep down they are football fans and will watch the match that is broadcast, the broadcasters try to put out the games they think are the pick of the day. Unfortunately for us the broadcasters
Donβt work on the βthe public gets what the public wantsβ ethos, they like the music industry work on the βthe public wants what the public getsβ ethos.As for why it costs more in this country I presume itβs because footy is also used to sell the whole home package. Not sure what Sky Sports costs, but I would presume Β£20 to Β£30 a month, the rest of the cost is for phone, broadband and basic tv package, in effect commit to your chosen providers core business before you can get the sports, as I said earlier itβs a loss leader without the loss.
Personally I think both the broadcasters and the prem are as bad as each other as they both want as much profit as they can squeeze out of the public, without putting anything back into the game as a whole, by that I mean grass roots etc. But the real winners are the players and agents who get paid vast amounts of money and the more they get paid the less passion they seem to have.
In short unless we get oversaturated with games and thereβs a decline in interest from the public and a decline in subscribers weβre stuck where we are, and thatβs the balance the broadcasters have found…..Pagan
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Fair points Pagan, although the highlights issue is a non issue to me as I doubt sky get much people watching their highlight shows when they can watch the highlights commercial free on MOTD.
Footy doesnt just cost more for us UK fans though mate, not only do we pay more we get less, that’s just contempt mate, cant see it any other way.
As for the over saturation bit, let me ask you this; If SKY showed every game live would they get less viewers than if they only showed one? Per game maybe, but not in total, the viewing figures would increase, and so total revenue would increase across the board, surely. This is why I put the blame at the Prem for instisting on fragmenting it all and selling in the packages like they do. Every game should be available for the money the Prem receives.
I suggested Piracy may in effect aid finding the balance you referred to in last post. In terms of the games that are not shown live here but are shown live abroad, the prem and broadcasters have a choice, either show them live in UK so I can watch the official broadcasts and be counted as a viewer for commercial purposes, or they can deny them to me and I will watch online.
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Lucky, the only fly in the ointment is the ruling that the 3 oβclock games canβt be shown live, if that gets changed then that would open the door to simultaneous broadcasts, however I could then see that the broadcasters would go along the club armchairs season ticket route, which although would give more choice to the viewer would cause a bigger divide in the revenue that each club gets…Pagan
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Thats true mate, but only if the total money received by the prem league isnt divided equally.
My ideal would be for most games to be played at 3pm on saturday with all games simultaneously broadcast. One game would be played later in the evening as is done now at 5:30pm. Then teams playing in europe if needs be can be moved to the sunday and available live.
I would love the Prem league to take all this in house and offer a season ticket which allows you to watch any game you would like at 3pm on a saturday and any other game shown live at a different time. Over all this is sure to increase the total number of viewers that watch prem league games live. I know the old argument is that attendances at the ground would go down if all games are on live, but it doesnt wash with me as its always preferable to watch from the stands and as long as it is affordable people will always go to the games. Besides, ticket revenue is nowhere near the level of revenue obtained through advertisments and sponsorships received through TV deals so I dont see the net harm to broadcasting every game live to be fair.
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Lucky, I also donβt think a club armchair season ticket would harm the broadcasters dramatically or the top few prem teams, it would though affect the teams with a smaller fan base, and that could in turn affect the product that is the premier league, as we all know what makes the prem so good is itβs unpredictability which may lessen if the difference between the haves and have nots becomes greater.
I donβt think the prem can take it in house as they donβt have the infrastructure to do so, the broadcasters have the cameras, satellites and the know how, so unless the prem are willing to invest that heavily the broadcasters have them over a barrel.
Unfortunately the profitability of the product will always come before the quality of it….Pagan
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You’re right Pagan, it is a nothing more than a dream for me to believe the money could be divided equally when the top clubs, my own included, will fight it tooth and nail and get what they want through threats of break away leagues.
P.s, if the even the circus that is the world wrestling federation can do everything in house, so can the prem league. Dont need satellite when the whole country is on fibre broadband, thats not far away mate.
The bottom line is your last point though, and that is where this discussion ends to be fair mate, you are spot on.
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Lucky, thatβs true about fibre, but the fibres owned by BT and Virgin, which may be a problem.
How about giving the peopleβs game back to the people….Pagan
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Technically the vast majority of networks are owned and run by Openreach, independently of BT, supposedly anyway, but ultimately BT own openreach. OFCOM ruled they should be run independently and open reach have to treat all comms providers equally. As long as the prem league could generate more commercial revenue in the future this way then it is the way things are likely to go imo, SKY would become needless middle men taking a cut from what the prem league get can directly in that case.
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Guys, the Club’s control the PL the PL work for the Club’s and the brief is to bring in as much money as possible for the Clubs.
I can’t ever see there being Armchair season tickets it would potentially kill off the smaller Clubs.
I agree it would be great for all of us if there was just one package but that negates the PL’s negotiating ability and the split packages generate more money for the Club’s.
There are extended highlights on Sky Club by Club the universal highlights Sky package is Goals on Sunday on a Sunday morning.
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But the subscription for the “armchair season tickets” would be received by the PL not the clubs directly. If they were distributed evenly it wouldnt be detrimental to the smaller clubs, and if it led to more revenue overall then it would be better for every club.
I completely accept how ever that as it stands the PL and the clubs it represents are convinced this way makes the most money, I just hope as things develop there will be better ways that give us, the consumer, better value for our money.
Like I said earlier nine, in the US where the average person doesnt give a monkeys about prem league football they can have every game for less than we pay to see a tiny fraction of the games. It is inherently unfair and inconsiderate of the fans who generate the most income, the whole world combined pays only just over half what we provide for the prem.
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Lucky, if there was an Armchair Season ticket I would buy it but I don’t believe it would be good for the game as a whole.
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That fair enough nine, but it wouldnt stop anyone strolling down Fulham road π
The way I look at it more and more people are watching the 3pm’s anyway, only a matter of time before the prem league decide they may as well get in on it and provide the games themselves, and rake in some more commercial revenue.
On the subject of walking down Fulham road nine, I started a new job a few months ago and the last few days have realised that thankfully I will have enough disposable income to afford a few trips to the bridge each season. Was looking on the club site today to see how tickets can be purchased and even scouted the route (will be 5 hours each way by the looks of it). Will register as member in new year and look to get a couple of games in before end of season if I can. Any advice you can have for a standard club member getting tickets please let me know, been 20 years since I been to the bridge last π
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Lucky, you’ll need to be a Member and then go for tickets for the lesser matches you’ll need to keep an eagle eye on when they’re going on sale. Best of luck with it. Cheers 9’s
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