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If you ask me my opinion about this tournament, i would say they would be a negative views. because i don’t want my club to lose focus at this very stage where we are on a rebuilding process of the squad and the management. we can’t afford too many games which may likely result too many injuries.
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Chelseaman, don’t worry mate as per the title of the thread it’s not until 2021.?
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I think this is a great idea, except for it being held in the summer. I know it’s a bit much to be asking leagues and clubs to work around tournaments but most seem to have the winter break. Slot it in there and ask that every 4 years, the top leagues make it work. It can definitely be done and besides, the bigger clubs are using more and more players all the time.
To have this as a pre-season tournament COMPLETELY ruins any value that it could have as a tournament. They want to change it from being the complete joke that it is now… but they are really just created a brand new joke that nobody will give a shit about.
If they built this into the winter break times then this would actually develop into a desired trophy.
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Mak, if the players play in the winter break, then it ceases to be a break. The break isn’t there due to it being winter….Pagan
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The World Cup until Qatar and the Euros have always been played in the Summer without any problems I suspect this tournament will need 3 weeks given there will be 24 teams competing in it.
I agree with Mak the current competition lacks credibility given you can be crowned World Champions having played only 2 games this new format will give the Club World Cup credibility in 2021 but we await the details.
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Pagan, the PL didn’t have a winter break before very recently, so they can manage it. They will be a little more tired than other PL sides of course but the biggest and best teams will generally have bigger/better squads, facilities and staff to help them over-come an inconvenience that will only happen once in a blue moon.
I’m not saying this is a perfect solution but it’s definitely better than ruining summer preparations.
There is of course another solution and that is to drop top level leagues down to 16 teams. If you want to fit in other competitions, then instead of squeezing, make room. I can’t see this ever happening of course but it is a viable option going forward. No way the PL would willfully dilute their competition but with the big clubs looking at a super league, they don’t exactly hold all the cards.
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Nine, I see sorry. So they would have this tournament immediately after the season ends and not when the players are coming back. I didn’t consider the actual months and just had “summer” in mind.
Ok, if they were to play this like they would a WC, right after a season ends (before players go on breaks etc) it could work. I would watch it.
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Nil-So basically mate,none of us might be alive by the time it comes around,lol.
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Mav, I know Brexit is a bit of a problem but I don’t think it’s going to kill us all by 2021!?
I think we need to wait and see what all the final arrangements are for this updated tournament are before trying to shoot it down, personally it sounds very exciting to me and adds considerable credibility to the current Club World Championship whether Chelsea are fortunate enough to participate in it or not.
And let’s not kid ourselves participating in the World Club Championship won’t be easy or likely consistent for PL Clubs.
Liverpool are the first PL winners of the CL since 2012 and Manchester United were the first winners of the EL since Chelsea in 2013.
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9-Didnt Chelsea win it last year,too??
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Mav, of course Chelsea did mate and that would be their entry into this new format.
My point was that since 2012 only 3 PL teams would have qualified to participate in this new revamped format.
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Mav, haha. It took me a while to realise this Thread was actually talking about 2021.
I was so wrapped up in this season going into the next. 🙂
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Does the new 2021 tournament mean that this seasons (last) one is no longer going ahead in Qatar? I assume it is. As shit as it is, I want us to win it. We’ve never been world champions.
I’ll never forget the last effort we had at it. The final was incredibly one sided, in our favour … and we lost. It was a bizarre match in a number of ways. Liverpool had 3 disallowed goals for offside, one of which I think was onside…
I would prefer a better tournament like the one they are going for in 2021 but we’re here now, so we might as well make the most of it, right?
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Mak, obviously the 2019 competition is going ahead I’m not sure about the 2020 competition as it would be quite close to the 2021 revamped competition which as you rightly say looks a much better tournament. I’m sure things will evolve as we move forwards. Cheers 9’s
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It’s a moot point whether the competition would be held every 4 years because it still wouldn’t change the already tightly packed football calendar we would have that particular year. And it would add further stresses to it that it doesn’t need. (Lets not forget the Euros and the World Cups in between too!). And I disagree with the argument that teams have big squads so can deal with it – squads are there primarily as back ups in case of injuries – but this idea of squads has been redefined in recent years in that they are now there to allow teams to complete in more and more competitions. Managers I suspect don’t really like having to rotate – they always want to field their stronger XI. And we all see how hard it is for even the big teams to keep their second string happy. What we’re actually seeing here is market forces redefining and dictating how clubs should be modelled. But such a competition as this may cross a line that will be the straw the breaks the camels back for the teams – unless something else gives – e.g. as has been mentioned, a reduction in the number of teams in a domestic league or the sacrificing of domestic cups. I accept the points made on the Amazon thread regarding teams having to endure the consequences of taking the money from the broadcasters, but we are clearly now getting to saturation point. And so something is going to have to give somewhere else. Players may be paid a fortune, but they’re still human beings prone to exhaustion and stresses and I think regardless of the money, this is still exploitation.
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Mikus, the current competition requires up to 3 games in December in the middle of the season hopefully it won’t derail Liverpool’s title challenge but it could do.
The new competition is every 4 years in June and July with a maximum of 6 games most Clubs go on a pre season Summer tour anyway but this competition will impact on pre season tours rather than their seasons for those Clubs who earn the right to participate in it.
Summer seems a more sensible time to play such a competition rather than in the middle of the season to me given the above.
My understanding is that this is not a proposal but something that has already be announced by FIFA as happening from 2021 with more details to be announced by FIFA shortly.
This article from the NYT might be helpful.
“FIFA plans to grant China the rights to host the inaugural version of its expanded Club World Cup, a 24-team tournament scheduled for 2021 that will feature some of the world’s biggest club teams and provide a significant cash infusion for world soccer’s governing body.
The decision to award the hosting rights to China will be announced on Friday in Shanghai after it is confirmed in a vote of FIFA’s governing council at its quarterly meeting, according to several soccer officials with knowledge of the council’s intentions. European soccer officials, who had strongly opposed an expanded tournament for clubs when the plans were raised, now appear set to go along, and to provide a third of the teams in the expanded tournament.
The new quadrennial event, announced in March, will replace the unpopular Confederations Cup, an eight-team national tournament that in recent versions had acted as a tuneup for World Cup hosts. It also will mean the demise of the Club World Cup as an annual event; under its current format, seven teams will play in Qatar, the 2022 World Cup host, both this year and next year.”
New York Times 20/10
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slow day
is everyones internet broken 😉
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But pre season tours (which admittedley can involve a lot of travelling) are not intensive tournaments themselves – they are about players building up fitness and togetherness – unlike a world club cup which would be a hell for leather tournament that players would be expected to perform at their highest levels. So players could play a CL final in early June, then jet off a few weeks later for another intensive tournament in China, return in July for pre season games, then straight into a full season in early August. A year later they would have the World Cup in Qatar in 2022, albeit in the winter, though they’ll still obviously have to fit the domestic season in. Any African players would then have to compete in the 2023 African Cup of Nations between June and July 2023. Back to the Euros in Germany in the summer of 2024 (or Copa America for South American players in 2024). Back to the Club World Cup in the summer of 2025. Back to the World Cup in the summer of 2026 in USA/Canada.
That’s just getting utterly ridiculous…
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