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The problem is most managers are not given much time. Pressure was always going to be great because of the money spent this season
I’d like to see him given more time as 4 months is no were near enough time to blend a team together after so many changes.
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Ed, I heard something of that nature on 606. It’s all in passing which you’d expect.
You seem to want go out of your way seemingly to prove a point on someone.
Personally, I couldn’t care less, but in peace, I’ll try and offer my thoughts just as as a football fan and that’s it.
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Ed, “GJ to add to my list, here’s an article from the Athletic who are usually pretty reliable.”
Historically you’re right But GJ makes some good points and whilst I don’t rule anything in or out because of our history nobody knows what Roman is thinking not even the Athletic!😊
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Absolutely Nine. Roman may well be mellowing as GJ suggests and Frank’s job may well be safe whatever happens. I’m not sure that’s good news for Chelsea though, in all honesty.
What’s made Chelsea the force they have been over the last decade and a half is the refusal to accept anything less than winning trophies. For him to suddenly lose some of that ruthlessness could be dangerous.
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Ed and Sean…..this is just the start of January, no titles are won this month. It is true, City have a good squad and it was good to see them put a 16 yr old on bench to day with another couple of youngsters. City are going through a change at the moment, half way house I think between the usual all attack to a more conservative approach based on the fact we have 4 capable defenders now at CB. Ihope we will be up there fighting for the title but a long way to go yet and as with any team the dreaded injuries and Covidcan change things overnight. The plus side, to me, is we have a very competitive league this season
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Don’t get me wrong though. I’d also like to see Lampard given more time. It would be a refreshing change for Chelsea. I just think it’s a huge risk unless they soon turn things around.
People often bring out the line that it took Klopp 4 or whatever years to get Liverpool a league title. The huge difference was that Klopp had shown his pedigree in Germany, toppling the mighty Bayern in the league and almost winning the CL. Lampard had an OK season at Derby, that’s it.
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Ed…you are right about the expectations for new managers. Terry and Rooney are learning there trade and both may well turn out to be good Managers in a couple of seasons. I think Lampard and Arteta are both suffering with same problem
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There has to realistically thought spared on Time.
We are in what I feel with Natural Unfold, whether there will be another National Lockdown. How will it impact Football?
This is Genuinely Positive as the Top Flight League looks so Tight in Points and Open to a Range of Teams 😀 🙂
Stick with and Trust in your Manager haha 🙂
Football has to remain Open For Business and Recreation 🙂 🙂
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Follow your Gut Instinct, Trust in your Self Knowledge and bring out your Experience.
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Ed, I heard something of that nature on 606. It’s all in passing which you’d expect.
You seem to want go out of your way seemingly to prove a point on someone.
Not at all Nil. No point to prove to anyone. Nor could anything be proved either way at this point. I could be spectacularly wrong about Lampard. Just enjoy a good debate and voicing my opinion.
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Still fully behind lampard. End of.
Put three wins together and your top of the league subject to Liverpool.
Loose three and your Arsenal facing relegation.
The league the past two seasons is all over the place. So crazy West Brom went for bug Sam.
God I’d hate to have him in charge at the bridge
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I hope Frank’s job is safe. Not sure who would come in to repalce him. They are talking Allegri now that Poch has gone to PSG. Maybe Roman will look at a couple of old mates in the deathly one (Avram) or Nicotine patch (Maurizio). I believe they are both currently out of work. Not sure if the Guus still does part time work managing. He is currently laid back relaxing in Curacao waiting for their next battle in the world of football so he’s probably totally off the radar.
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Ed, just a few weeks ago Chelsea were being tipped to win the title and had already topped the table more than once and they finished top of their Champions League Group, in the previous season without being able to buy anyone in Lampard’s first season they finished the season joint third with United on points and in a CL place and Lampard took them to an FA Cup Final.
There’s no denying that Chelsea are currently on a bad run with 4 defeats in 6 games but Roman must have known that there would be bumps in the road appointing a rookie Manager and rebuilding the team primarily with Academy players and young buys from Europe and seemingly Chelsea were building a team not for the now but for the future.
Frank needs to be given until at least the end of the season imo to turn things around but no matter who you are as a Manager it’s a results driven business and Frank has to stop this bad run of games and get Chelsea back to winning ways otherwise the inevitable will happen.
I hope Roman gives him the necessary time but it’s impossible to second guess Roman and who knows whether Tuchel or Allegri who are the only credible alternatives are the answer anyway.
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Fair points, as always, Nine. I do think, though, that both Ole and Frank will be out of a job unless they get top 4 and/or secure a trophy this season. Failing to do so would indicate they have gone backwards since last season which I don’t think either club would accept.
A couple of easier games now coming up for Chelsea which could help get confidence back with the cup game then Fulham. Leicester away after that is not easy though. Plenty of time for him and Chelsea to turn things around.
I maintain that I think he won’t be there next season simply because I think it was a mad decision for a club the size of Chelsea to give him the job in the first place with so little experience but that’s just my own opinion. I’ve been wrong many times before! 😄
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Ed, I think if we could get someone like Steve Holland in alongside Frank with all of his experience it would be a good move imo although I think Frank is quite single minded and stubborn and will probably want to stand or fall on what he and his current staff can do. Be much more sensible than sacking Frank though imo.
Personally I think Frank will be given to the end of the season at least there are a limited number of credible candidates to takeover now anyway but nobody knows what Roman is thinking or what was agreed between him and Frank in the medium to long term.
Historically Roman has been prepared to pull the trigger sooner rather than later.
I do though remember reading that Roman had promised Frank the full three years of his contract and not so long ago it was reported qualifying or not qualifying for the CL wouldn’t effect that.When Roman appointed Frank it was done in the knowledge that he was appointing a rookie Manager with a different type of strategy and that the objective was to build a new Chelsea team primarily utilising the best Academy player and young strategic buys from around Europe and I suspect that given that strategy Roman knew there would be bumps in the road along the way.
4 weeks ago Chelsea were being talked up as title winners now Frank is on the brink of being sacked according to some of the media and many on the internet who are now talking up his replacements.
Alex Ferguson took 4 years to win the FA Cup and 7 years to win the title and fans were calling for his head yet he went on to be the most successful Manager in United’s history had the United Board had knee jerked into sacking Ferguson what happened at United wouldn’t have happened.
Either way what happens with Frank only Roman knows.
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Again good points Nine and you may well be right.
Alex Ferguson took 4 years to win the FA Cup and 7 years to win the title and fans were calling for his head yet he went on to be the most successful Manager in United’s history had the United Board had knee jerked into sacking Ferguson what happened at United wouldn’t have happened.
Absolutely. Again, though, I’d point to the fact that Ferguson had plenty of experience and pedigree prior to coming to Utd so there was enough reason amongst the right people to believe it was worth persevering. With Frank, they’re rolling the dice and hoping his excellent playing career translates to an excellent managerial career. Unlike both Klopp and Ferguson (whose clubs were both rewarded for perseverance), he hasn’t done anything that would have gone noticed by Chelsea had he not been a club legend.
You could also turn it around, though, and say that if Chelsea were as patient with Claudio Ranieri as Utd were with Ferguson, then Mourinho wouldn’t have won all he did with Chelsea. Or if Chelsea were as patient with Di Matteo as Utd were with Ferguson, where would they be now? Etc etc.
I realise it might appear like I have an agenda against Chelsea or Lampard. I really don’t. I’ve been every bit as critical of Utd’s choice of giving Ole the Utd job and Arsenal giving Arteta the Arsenal job. I’m just still fascinated that these 3 huge clubs would turn to such inexperienced managers to guide their teams. What always surprises me is the calls of “Lampard/Arteta will get it right. They just need to be given enough time” when there’s zero evidence to support those theories other than they were good players or assistants. Why wasn’t for example Sarri or Emery given the same luxury from fans that they’d “get it right given enough time”?
Just an obsvervation from me on the whole manager merry go round!
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There’s a very, very fine line between giving a manager enough time to get it right, hoping for a Ferguson or Klopp to emerge from it and becoming the new Wenger-led Arsenal where mediocrity becomes the new norm because “things will be fine eventually so trophies aren’t important now”.
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Madness calling for Lampard and Arteta to be sacked already.Same for so many players coming into the league from abroad adjusting to the rigorous demands of the PL.Give them time.
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I think last season hasn’t helped frank as he maybe over achieved a bit?
Nine and other Chelsea favs weren’t expecting a top 4 finish as hazard gone and transfer ban
He got 4th and now huge pressure is on because of the money he spent.
No point going overboard when less then a month ago everything was roses for Chelsea
If he doesn’t get cl football I’d like Chelsea to stick with him but I don’t think they will and I’m not sure Roman will change a policy of 17 massively successful years to give frank 3 years if he is not winning trophies but who knows
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Ed, no worries I accept Chelsea and Frank are fair game currently the same has happened with Ollie previously.
I’m on record as claiming Di Matteo should have been given more time but what’s happened with his career following Chelsea suggests it may have been the right decision to let him go.
Claudio blew his chances at Chelsea with his strange decisions in the first leg of the CL Semi Final v Monaco and it was the first year of the Abramovich tenure. Personally as much as I liked Claudio I think that was the correct decision then and now.
I haven’t said Lampard will get it right but it’s a completely different project to anything Chelsea have entered into before and given all of the circumstances I think Frank deserves until the end of the season with he and Roman to review the situation then.
Personally I wasn’t sure about Sarri but I’m on record as saying he deserved another season.
“I’m just still fascinated that these 3 huge clubs would turn to such inexperienced managers to guide their teams. ”
Ed in respect of Chelsea they were in entirely different circumstances normally you would be right but with a transfer ban the strategy was to build a new Chelsea team utilising the best of the Academy and by eventually signing some of the best young players with potential in Europe both Frank and Jody were close to the best Chelsea Academy players and Jody in fact Coached them all.
Of course I would like to see Chelsea winning trophies in the short term but of more importance imo is to build a new young vibrant Chelsea team for the future even if Chelsea go two or three seasons winning nothing.
It’s all down to Roman now only he knows the direction Chelsea will take based on the last few games imo it would be premature to make a knee jerk reaction especially when just a few weeks ago Chelsea were top of the PL and Chelsea were being talked up as title winners.
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