FA Community Shield 2019 – Liverpool V Man City 3pm – BT Sport 1

[nine nine nine]

Not at £75m though. 🙂

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[Editor]

Come on Oz, I know you’re better than constantly referring to City as C$ty.

Adlab, interesting to see what City do in the final days. A top CB would be bad news for the rest of us. As Nine says, Ake is approaching Maguire sort of money so can’t see that one happening

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[Oz]

Adlab I was referring to Chelsea as chel$ki etc, it was originally a bit of a joke obviously about money but it just became a habit when posting city, much like loserpool salahpool etc etc I Didn’t really think much of it tbh, much like Salahpool doesn’t even bat an eye lid but if it gets on the nerves I’ll make the massive effort to stop. The damn world is so bloody touchy over everything, say the sky is blue & someone will get offended because they once had a crash in a blue car & they hate blue so you shouldn’t say it.
Indeed depth is the single reason I predict another win for city, no one else has the luxury they have. The thing that amuses me is those saying oh look city didn’t buy x, y or z so they don’t just outspend everyone. Reality is if city desperately wanted a player they would buy them. The fact that their squad is so chock full of top quality due to unprecedented spending over many seasons they are in a position they only have to polish up the squad for the foreseeable future to stay at the top of the tree in the EPL. Liverpool spent massive for a season here & there & are still behind them.
As everyone says manu paid way over for Maguire but they desperately needed a good cb & he has potential to get a lot better. Good buy for them IMO. Outside the top spot I think the season will be a lot more competitive than last season with a number of teams strengthening. It’ll be hard to predict the European spots so looking forward to it.
Here’s to another cup for the micky mousers & Leeds to get promoted in the coming season. I’d better go or I’ll get myself into trouble, waters cold but the surfs up. Take care all.

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[Adlab]

Agreed Utd did need a CB. All one needs to say is Jones and Smalling. Looking at their accounts for the current year with about £40-50m profit (final divis unknown) and assuming a write off over 5 years they are stretched financially with their purchases but that very much depends on what dividend the Glazers take. My own view is they have gambled(rightly I think) on the success of the two expensive defenders. However, with an accountants hat on I would be looking to reduce the wage bill losing one big earner. They might yer!-
Will it be enough? Is the manager good enough? Time as always will tell but I expect them to provide more of a challenge this season.

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[Editor]

Adlab, that’s the sad reality. Nobody has the resources to keep up with the likes of City and PSG unfortunately in the long run. It’s what will ultimately lead to the end of football as we know it. Even Utd with the huge revenues they make can’t spend the likes of money City have done and will continue to do. It’s got to the point where fans rejoice at the thought of a rich family being linked with taking them over because they know that’s the only way they’ll ever be able to compete in the long run with City/PSG.

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[Oz]

I’ve been saying this for a while now Ed but just keep being told I’m wrong & everyone has a chance. Manchester City are that far ahead squad wise of all others it’s already a foregone conclusion they will win again, just wait & see. The thing that amuses me is all the talk how they’re breaking all sorts or records but these records come hand in hand with the record amount of money they’ve spent, it’s no coincidence. What would’ve been an absolute massive achievement was if Tottenham won the C/L, esp considering what they were up against. I still think we done excellent but that would’ve been something else.

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[Editor]

Oz, sadly I think you’re probably right. Football has lost a lot of the magic it once had with its predictability due to the mega rich clubs. There will be odd occasions where other clubs overstretch themselves and win the odd trophy but most will go to City and PSG I think before too long.

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[nine nine nine]

Ed, I’m not sure that’s entirely true UEFA seem to have both City and PSG in their sights now and it’s definitely limiting their spending. Even Real can’t afford to buy Pogba currently without they sell someone.

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[Oz]

Problem is 9 Manchester City were/are that far ahead their spending can now fall into line with everyone else & they’ll still stay at the top.
Ed it’s not just football mate, it’s pretty much all sports are predictable, the rich clubs win the vast majority regardless of what sport. This is why I don’t get overly involved any more, I watch to enjoy top skills but never get too upset with results. Money has taken over & it’s more business than sports. We won theC/L last season but I liked watching us much more the previous season as it was all out attack so win lose or draw you knew it’d be awesome to watch.

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[nine nine nine]

Oz, there’s a certain amount of truth in that but players like Aguero and Silva are getting older Aguero is 31 and Silva is 33 and allegedly in his last season at City over the next few years that advantage that they have built up will be eroded.

Pep said City couldn’t afford Maguire which is plainly nonsense given their owners what he actually meant was given the focus of UEFA on City’s previous spending they couldn’t go as high as United for Maguire and this is good PR for City because it says to UEFA that City are looking to control their spending now.

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[Mikus LFC]

It’s only since City acquired Guardiola that they’ve become particularly dominant. Liverpool would probably have beaten the other non Guardiola City title winning sides. At the end of the day, what is making all this money takeover sustainable and keeping the top 6 unchanged is the core fans are paying the TV broadcasters an awful lot of money for an awful lot of games in which they only watch a fraction of (i.e. games involving their own team). So long as they keep doing that (which they will), on it will go. Like the owners of the clubs, the broadcasters have them over a barrel. Murdoch knew this all too well years ago.

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[nine nine nine]

Can’t see that mate most fans who subscribe to Sky and BT watch more games than just their own Clubs and City and Chelsea’s initial success was driven by the generosity of their owners which is no longer possible because of FFP. Voted the above post up in error.?

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[Anonymous]

999/oz… Money makes the world go around… Back when the premier league were formed, United had dominance with ground revenue and prices for players were so much smaller. Then Blackburn cam and went in a few seasons after Walker stopped funding the tune, was it close to 300 million over the years he was in charge? His money spent on his local boyhood club. Then Arsenal had the swag and swagger, chelsea were going places, namely bankruptcy as we couldn’t afford the eurobond loan repayments (like Leeds)… much like selling his heard of Cows before mad cow disease took hold of the premiership, Bates got out before it all crashed at chelsea. Roman came in and dropped close to 800 million on the team that gave the side a ten year advantage. Then City got shiekhy with the purse strings… Liverpool done it slightly differently. As always there was a glitch in the spending matrix when Leicester won.

They who spend the most smile the most as fans. Sadly, its always been like this. Clubs dont now need to fill stadiums. Commercial revenues are the talk of the boardrooms, expanding fan basses in new markets dictates the pre-season travel plans. The business model has worked for the EPL and the league and the championship below it is also a profitable venture. When you see Brentfords players leaving for the prices they have this summer and some of the numbers Villa have spent on the side since relegation, its only a matter of time before clubs do an Ashley and siphon the cash out of the clubs. Us fans are there to wave the flags, buy the beer, eat the overpriced pies and wear ill fitting club shirts our guts hang out of at the bottom.

Financial fair play only works if it is enforceable, the transfer fees being paid for players isnt sustainable as you get the Neymar and Bale scenario.

In the words of reporter Brian Ohanrahan, us fans dont like like it, but we have to go along with it…

TV dynamite from the Day to Day…

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[Mikus LFC]

Yet this appears to say otherwise, saying of the 7 million Sky & BT subscribers, the average viewing figures per game are just 1 million in the UK.

Another eg: an estimated 7 million+ homes in the UK subscribe to pay-TV that shows PL football (Sky's football and BT Sport) but any given match will average around 1m viewers … and that's in the country which, by definition, is THE most interested in PL

— Nick Harris (@sportingintel) July 18, 2019

As for the generosity of some owners that’s undoubtedly true. But I’d still argue it was the conditions of the new premier league set up in 1992 that created the culture we have today, i.e. of much richer clubs and, which exacerbated and culminated in the kind of dog eat dog attitude where clubs have become increasingly ruthless in winning at any cost and if some teams like Bolton, Leeds, Bury, etc almost go out of business, so be it. These are all symptoms of a game in moral decline.

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[Adlab]

I think I said it before and I agree with above comments.
Its all about money (plus a good manager) and not just football.
Mercedes and Ferrari doominate F1. Why? They have more money to invest
In a sport my family are into …Dressage. Top horses cost £250,000+. Very few can afford that amd most of the time they win.
Cycling. The teams with the best backing win.
Whatever walk of life or whatever business unless you have rotten luck the money wins
Horse racing…speaks for itself.

Point made I hope. It will never change. In the world in which we live money talks. In football it shouts.

PS Does anybody know anything about this Cancelo we have signed. Is he any good?

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[nine nine nine]

Mikus, the 7m Sky subscribers aren’t all football fans mate and there are hundreds of Channels to choose from and then there’s Netflix’s etc my Wife doesn’t watch the football!?

Sky Sports is incredibly expensive and encompasses all sorts of sports not just football and I don’t know too many football fans who subscribe to Sky Sport and BT Sport who will only watch their own teams I certainly don’t.

Many football fans won’t pay the Sky and BT prices and watch their football illegally on all sorts optuse football sites via their computers.

I would say be careful what you wish for because without the Sky and BT money our top PL sides would ultimately struggle to keep up with the big European teams.

As in any business and football is no different if you don’t run it properly then it will run into problems and to be fair Leeds created their own problems under Risdale.

Football has never been any different succes breeds succes and if you go backwards it’s tough to come back.I’ve followed Chelsea in the 2nd Division and not just for a season and we were a jock box away from the 3rd Division too and City fans have experienced similar.

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[nine nine nine]

Adlab, never been any different mate the best resourced teams will always be the most consistently successful.

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[Adlab]

Exactly nine!

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[Mikus LFC]

Nine, either way, the viewing figures are still pretty small per game, even if there are some additional illegal watchers – that’s very depressing in any case that it’s had to come to that. And given the rise of Netflix, Prime, etc, Sky’s exclusivity now is ultimately the football – if Sky lost that, they’d lose a hell of a lot of subscribers. As for other sports, yes true, but football is still the biggest sport and their flagship product.

As for the TV money and being worried about losing ground to big European clubs, I think this is exactly part of the problem. Clubs could perhaps, years ago, have accepted some years in the doldrums. Granted they’ve always been businesses to some extent, this cut throat culture now has never been so bad with clubs now not just wanting to try and win, but being greedy because they’ve become so rich off it. And the top 6 rarely if ever changes now. So if we continue on this path, yes, we’ll keep up with the bigger clubs. But at what price to the domestic league and other clubs? That doesn’t mean I think we should necessarily go back to all free to air, but a much better compromise I think can be reached to help make football on TV more affordable, as well as ensuring the competition and quality stays strong whilst ensuring revenues don’t over lean unfairly towards the top 6.

As Swiss Ramble has stated recently regarding the overseas TV revenue increase:

“In summary, all 20 Premier League clubs will earn more from the overseas rights increase, but it will be yet another case of “the rich getting richer”. In fact, half of the total £295m increase goes to just six clubs. No prizes for guessing which ones.”

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[nine nine nine]

Mikus, here’s some relevant info on Sky.

“Sky capped off a good year with a strong quarter, adding over half a million new customers and a further 3.1 million new products this year, with Q4 growth up 39% and 81% respectively. Sky Q is in 3.6 million homes, up 2.3 million year on year, having rolled out in all major territories.

Over half a million new customers joined Sky this year for a total of over 23 million, and its services now reach over 120 million people across Europe. These will grow as the broadcaster promises to open up new opportunities for growth by developing additional services and entering new geographic markets. Sky operates in seven European markets, providing entertainment and communications services that are increasingly available over fibre and broadband networks.

In the home UK market, Sky added 270,000 new customers this year, including 20,000 in Q4. Total products grew by 2.7 million, including 290,000 new TV products, taking its total TV customer base to 11.7 million. Sky doesn’t break down numbers but the vast majority of new customers are estimated to come from the NOW TV service.

Sky continues to bundle and aggregate more third party services. Netflix is being added to the Sky Q platform, together with Spotify. Netflix will also launch as a standalone app on the company’s own streaming services, starting first with NOW TV in the UK and Ireland.”

I can’t see it changing too much now. I would love to see a cheaper product but it’s not in the Club’s or Sky’s interests.

The splintering of the football coverage is a major problem for Football fans first BT and now Amazon.

The top Clubs will always have a larger slice of the cake because they provide the most interesting games.

We could go for a fairer share of TV revenues but Turkeys don’t vote for Christmas.?

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