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Just Barca and Real left. EL Clasico every week anyone? 😄
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Lucky@8:54am I think that’s the way it probably went Lucky but as I said earlier it doesn’t absolve us and I don’t think any Chelsea fans would disagree with that.
Whilst credit is due to Bayern and Dortmund they’re fans owned Clubs and they would never have got that proposal past a fans dominated ownership,immense kudos to PSG for not getting involved though when they clearly could have.
Football needs to come together now and heal all of the rifts and UEFA’s new proposal for the CL won’t increase the quality of the game and that’s something that needs to be looked at now Ceferin said yesterday after announcing the new plans for the CL they are working on the next plan already which kind of suggests the one just launched isn’t a very good one more games against the Champions of Mongolia wont improve the CL
Finally there seems a desire to identify the instigators in all this certainly on the PL side of it I suspect we can all take an educated guess as to who they were in fact Sky named who they think they ere this morning but this is just dragging the whole thing on and not helping the healing process imo.
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There were 6 instigators behind all this Nine and we all know the names of the clubs. None of these clubs can hide behind “well he started it”. If indeed there were driving forces amongst the 12, it merely shows how cowardly the others have acted in just tagging along blindly.
Completely agree with your last sentence, finger pointing by anyone involved in the 6 clubs is, frankly, laughable and helps nobody.
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Ed, this is all down to a very small number of rich people who happen to own our clubs, those that created it need booting out. rules need to be changed to ensure owners can never act like this again, roman included.
But you know its the yanks at pool, utd and arsenal that were driving this and were last to pull out
But again it’s not the clubs it’s the owners.
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Sorry, Sweddy, I’m still blaming Chelski… they started it when Roman invented football… 🙂
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Spot on Lucky. I don’t doubt the Americans sold the dream to the others but they’re every bit as responsible for this mess by blindly tagging along and not taking a stance ala the German clubs and PSG.
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Whilst credit is due to Bayern and Dortmund they’re fans owned Clubs and they would never have got that proposal past a fans dominated ownership, immense kudos to PSG for not getting involved though when they clearly could have.
So are Barca though and they jumped onboard quick enough. I’m no expert on the various intricacies of fan ownership but I don’t see the difference.
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Lads , it was the 6 teams. Doesn’t matter who pulled out first. Maybe Chelsea pulled out as they were threatened of being thrown out of the cl?
Instigators etc who really cares? The fact is there’s no excuse for the 6 teams and I’m certainly not looking to excuse any part Liverpool played
I see some lfc fans saying Henry was first to go on tv as it’s some kind of great thing 😂
There can be no excuses for any clubs.
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Ed, I think the state of the financial health of the Spanish clubs has a lot to do with them wanting to join the super league.
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Indeed Mikus. It will be interesting to see just how “close to bankruptcy” (Perez’s words) they are this summer in the transfer window, though.
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Let’s be totally honest, it doesn’t matter how much money the clubs get from all their various income streams, the vast majority of it goes out on players wages and agent fees. Very little of it stays in the game, so even if they manage to set up a Super League, once the players and agents have caught up with the new money then the clubs wil have to have to set up now that’s what I call a super league 2……Pagan
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Ed, I guess the fact that Barca are £2 billion in debt Laporte thought he could sell it to their members I don’t think they could have done that at Bayern and Dortmund.
But it matters not now.😊
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Sean, again mate, it’s not the clubs it’s the owners
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“Important thing now is that we move on rebuild unity and move forward together” Aleksander Ceferin 21/04
Wise words from Ceferin!
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Although Man Utd dominated the league in the 90s, and Bayern Munich continue to dominate their league today, I think in both situations, there was a realistic chance they could be competed with and the reasons why they weren’t competed with enough was because in the 90s in the premier league I think there was still some of the 80s culture infecting teams and there wasn’t the level of fitness and professionalism that Utd had demonstrated, along with poor transfer strategies from the other clubs. As for the German model, I might be completely wrong about this as my knowledge is very limited, but I get the impression that many fans first and foremost go for the camaraderie in the stadium vs demanding winners whereas perhaps Bayern are more of an institution who are obviously a big club and specialist winners. But, I still think a team can compete with them if they do it competently.
I think the mistake we made was thinking that the best way to compete with Utd at that time was to attract wealthy foreign owners and throwing a shed load of money at it. But I really don’t think it had to be that way. Wenger changed much of the culture at Arsenal and low and behold, they competed with Man Utd. Wenger is sadly an almost maligned figure now but I do think it was very poignant when he basically lamented the disappearance of loyalty when he lost players he had developed. So yes, we needed a change of culture to alleviate big club dominance. But instead we created a new culture which increased player power and actually cemented big club dominance.
But can we really backpedal now?
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Started with jack Walker and Blackburn rovers only he wasn’t as rich so didn’t last long but was the first to “buy” the title and compete financially with United it was a progression from there and would have given the fans with money ideas until it came across the door of “lifelong Chelsea fan and billionaire” abramovich
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Cheers Nike19, full disclosure I’m a Man City season ticker holder but I don’t wear blue tinted spectacles for issues like this 😉
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Steveo, don’t think it was as much about money with Blackburn as is thought. Yes, it no doubt helped them a bit but smart recruitment and planning was just as important. This is quite good on the Blackburn story…
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Stevo, ha,ha, I’ve never heard anybody claim that Abramovich was a “life long Chelsea fan” least of all him. Good effort though.😊
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Mikus some good points but remember that the creation of the premier league, swiftly followed by Utd floating on the stock exchange, turning into a PLC, inventing the club superstore and selling Utd brand whiskey and other none football merchandise was the start of a huge influx of cash for Utd in particular – I’m not blaming them, they weren’t to know where the rest of us would take it, but in order to compete for players and success investors (such as Walker and Abramovich) seemed essential to many clubs – bear in mind that Arsenal only ever won 3 EPL titles, whilst Utd racked up 13. Without Jack Walker (1 title), Abramovich (5 titles), and eventually Mansour at City (4 titles), how dominant would Utd have been? The EPL would I expect have been just like every other European League with 1 dominant team winning every season. Sadly this week many clubs have forgotten what it was like to be outside looking in.
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