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  • #191363
    nine nine nine
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      Sean, below is the NHS guidelines over here re having a booster after having had Covid.

      Both my Son and D-In-Law are waiting for their boosters after Covid.

      “How long after having Covid do I need to wait to have my booster? If you’ve tested positive for Covid-19, you need to wait four weeks (28 days) from the day of your positive test to have a booster. This gap will help to separate any side effects of the vaccine from effects of your illness.”

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      #191371
      nine nine nine
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        “The latest test figures confirmed the highest number of positives results over a seven-day period since the release of testing data began in May last year.

        It has sparked fresh fears that clubs will not be able to control the spread of Omicron, with infections on the rise throughout the UK.

        Brighton, Tottenham, Leicester, Aston Villa and Norwich have all confirmed cases. In the Championship, an outbreak at QPR saw their game at Sheffield United postponed last night.

        The Premier League have now increased testing among clubs, saying in a statement: β€œThe safety of everybody is a priority and the Premier League is taking all precautionary steps in light of the recent rise in COVID-19 cases across the country. The League has reverted to its Emergency Measures, and will increase the frequency of both Lateral Flow and PCR COVID-19 testing of players and staff.”

        Brighton CEO Paul Barber has reflected the concern among clubs, claiming the Christmas and New Year period poses a major threat to the League continuing without interruption.

        He said: β€œIt is a little bit worrying that we are going into the busiest month of the season and rising Covid infections in the community mean our players and staff are not immune.

        β€œWe can keep them in a bubble while they are in the club but they go home to families, they have kids at school, friends visiting, so there is only so much clubs can do to keep their players and staff safe.

        β€œWe hope everyone will be responsible and restrict the number of people they come into contact with, but footballers and coaches are human. We are going to face a challenging month. The next month is going to be quite critical.”

        The League’s measures have so far been effective in controlling the spread of Covid among players, with very few games having to be postponed since the resumption of top-flight football after the initial national lockdown.

        A game between Everton and Manchester City last December was called off close to kick-off because of an outbreak among Pep Guardiola’s squad. Newcastle and Aston Villa also suffered outbreaks requiring fixtures to be rescheduled.

        The latest cases will place fresh scrutiny on the number of players refusing to be vaccinated.

        In October the Premier League revealed only 68 per cent of players had been fully vaccinated. With the Government initiating a booster drive after confirming even two doses are not enough to fend off Omicron, the potential for further outbreaks will only increase.

        Aston Villa manager Steven Gerrard suggested players’ vaccination status could be a factor in transfers going forward.

        Spurs suffered new cases yesterday, but their training ground reopened today, with players due to train – raising the prospect of their game with Leicester going ahead on Thursday.

        But the lateness of the decision to call off Brentford vs United reflects the ongoing uncertainty clubs are having to face during the traditionally busiest period of the season.

        A United spokesman said: β€œGiven cancellation of training and disruption to the squad, and with the health of players and staff the priority, the club requested the match to be rearranged. The Premier League Board took the decision to postpone based on guidance from medical advisors.”

        In a statement, Brentford said: β€œWe appreciate that there will be many fans who will be inconvenienced with the fixture postponement and we apologise for the disruption, which was out of our control, but we respect the Premier League’s decision and acknowledge that the health and safety of both clubs’ players and staff must always come first.”

        The EFL last week issued guidance to clubs, which included separating players on the basis of their vaccine status while travelling in a bid to limit the spread of Covid.

        Further advice included goalkeepers training separately to avoid potential close contact with teammates who test positive.” Standard 14/12

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        #191379
        Luckydestiny
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          Sorry nine only just read this

          “”If as country we are willing and able to compensate lost earnings for those who can’t work from home”

          But we can’t the previous debt for furloughing will take multiple generations to pay back already Lucky.

          Only practical solution not ideal but helps is work from home if you can which is what we’ve currently got.”

          I completely agree bud, full lockdowns surely can’t happen now

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          #191381
          Luckydestiny
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            I really feel we are through the worst of it after 2 bloody long years, with so many now vaccinated I hope in a few weeks we are over this omicron panic and we are looking forward to a new year. 🀞

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            #191388
            sean the sailor
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              Cool nine mate, over here it’s 9 months. Our government are a joke and no one over really knows the rules as it’s so confusing and our leaders seem to be making it up as they go along

              How do we get through this? How will herd immunity become possible when I can get covid again in 6 months time or whenever

              Is it not just going to keep going around in circles? Boosters are now they way forward but so were double doses of the vaccine?

              Our health system is a disgrace. Nothing has changed in two years and I really feel for our frontline staff. No extra beds extra

              It’s a disgrace

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              #191390
              Luckydestiny
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                Sean flu and common colds come around every year, many thousands die of the flu. Hopefully as we are more exposed and our bodies naturally produce more antibodies covid will just become one of those viruses, not insignificant but we can’t be living like this forever one way or another things will change, if its not the virus and our bodies ability to cope with it then it will will be our mentality.

                https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00396-2

                If the flu never existed before but just showed up in China right now and got here in January I’m sure the effects of that would be devastating.

                Always look on the bright side bud, you are doing what you can do keep doing that and chin up bud πŸ‘

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                #191391
                sean the sailor
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                  Ah no all good lucky mate

                  Just coming up to two years and more lockdowns is very frustrating but people need to be kept safe so I get it

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                  #191392
                  D1rtyH4rry
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                    Not to give false hope or anything, but based off of information from a professor in infectious diseases, typically any new virus is most dangerous when it is first discovered, in order to survive the virus will need to mutate, but with each new mutation the virus will be a weaker version of what went before it. He was quick to point out that this is typical behaviour for viruses, and not necessarily the case for covid, but it does back up Lucky’s link above, and we can only hope that each new variant to come will be weaker still.

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                    #191397
                    nine nine nine
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                      “Myth 2: β€˜It’s just a bad flu season’
                      In a bad flu year on average around 30,000 people in the UK die from flu and pneumonia, with a loss of around 250,000 life years. This is a sixth of the life years lost to COVID-19.
                      We have more detailed data for England and Wales. This shows us that, even looking only at those aged older than 75 (who account for most COVID-19 and flu deaths) – COVID-19 has been much more deadly. In 2018, a bad flu year, around 25,000 people older than 75 died from flu or pneumonia. These people lost a total of 140,000 years of life – 5.75 years each on average. This is about a quarter of the life years lost among those older than 75 from COVID-19.”

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                      #191398
                      Luckydestiny
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                        Nine, who was saying its just a bad flu season?

                        Surely you didn’t think I was claiming Covid was no more a problem than the flu?

                        The flu been around for ages, everyone now has some sort of natural immunity and creates antibodies once in contact but most vulnerable have jabs to strengthen this and protect from severe affects.

                        As I said above, if no-one had ever suffered flu and it cane out of nowhere this January its effects would be far more devastating than flu is now.

                        If your post was motivated by my post please read it again,

                        “flu and common colds come around every year, many thousands die of the flu. HOPEFULLY as we are more exposed and our bodies naturally produce more antibodies covid WILL just BECOME one of those viruses”

                        I also posted a link which details how virus tend to become weaker as it mutates which also will help push us in that positive direction.

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                        #191399
                        Luckydestiny
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                          This is from that article nine

                          “But failure to eradicate the virus does not mean that death, illness or social isolation will continue on the scales seen so far. The future will depend heavily on the type of immunity people acquire through infection or vaccination and how the virus evolves. INFLUENZA and the four human CORONAVIRUSES that cause COMMON COLDS are also endemic: but a combination of annual vaccines and acquired immunity means that societies tolerate the seasonal deaths and illnesses they bring without requiring lockdowns, masks and social distancing.”

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                          #191429
                          Nike19
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                            I still think this is mismanaged by our government. Why don’t we look at other countries and see what measures they have been taking? We await to see what the Prime Minister has in store for us on Saturday.

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                            #191432
                            nine nine nine
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                              Lucky, lots of people claim it’s no worse than the Flu including a close mate of mine but Covid is much deadlier than Flu and a much bigger risk to the NHS too.

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                              #191433
                              nine nine nine
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                                Nil, undoubtedly we’ve made mistakes like you I think we failed to shut our borders quickly enough and imo we lifted the precautions we were taking too quickly such as mask wearing which we’ve had to reintroduce now.

                                I agree with you if we can learn from what other countries are doing to successfully combat Covid we should take that on board but it seems to me most countries are struggling to cope with Covid and many countries in Europe are finding it more difficult to cope with Covid than even we are.

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                                #191439
                                Luckydestiny
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                                  “but Covid is much deadlier than Flu and a much bigger risk to the NHS too.”

                                  That’s is surely the case now nine but for the reasons I detailed above there is no reason to think it will always be that way and we can be optimistic πŸ‘

                                  Just imagine if the flu introduced itself out of nowhere one January with not on person having been in contact with it before…

                                  See this quote from the article I posted

                                  “Jesse Bloom, an evolutionary biologist at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle, thinks the coronavirus might follow a similar path. β€œI do think SARS-CoV-2 will become a less serious problem and something like flu,” he says. Shaman and others say the virus could also settle into a seasonal pattern of annual winter outbreaks similar to flu.”

                                  Let’s hope so nine πŸ™

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                                  #191441
                                  Adlab
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                                    Nike 19. To answer your question. Look what we have as a PM. Why would anyone be surprised. The only thing that mattered was brexit. That is, as expected, a storming success.

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                                    #191442
                                    nine nine nine
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                                      “Comedian Jethro has died after contracting COVID-19, his manager has said.

                                      A statement on his Facebook page said the 72-year-old comedian, from Cornwall, died on Tuesday.

                                      “It is with tremendous sadness that we announce the passing of the well known and popular Cornish comedian Jethro,” the statement said.”

                                      Sad News RIP

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                                      #191445
                                      Luckydestiny
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                                        I lost my nan 2 months ago at 79 nine, not from covid, but I bring it up because I only know Jethro through her, she had his yearly video for Xmas every year. I found it so funny that she was such an old fashioned Christian lady who was always very proper but she would howl in laughter at that daft filthy bugger Jethro 🀣 God bless Jethro and thanks for making my nan wet herself annually πŸ˜€

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                                        #191448
                                        nine nine nine
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                                          Lovely story Lucky. God Bless your Nan may she rest in peace.

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                                          #191493
                                          Adlab
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                                            Looking at today’s press this is looming to be serious. Cases are increasing in line with the national picture. Rodgers saying that we are only playing because TV is king. United outbreak is apparently getting worse.
                                            I agree with Klopp who says there is a full argument for full disclosure of those who fall ill.

                                            It is only a matter of time before the EPL will have to act.

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