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[Anonymous]

Mikus, on that note, I think this pandemic really shows that the common man is not making enough money. Far too many people are living paycheck to paycheck. Mortgage and rent costs are taking up far too much of a households income than is healthy. Even look at the bail-outs to businesses over this. Airlines who have been spending the vast majority of their profits on their own shares, in order to inflate their share prices and look after themselves are being bailed out, while their workers are asked to take a temporary pay cut. This shit is now acceptable in society and it just shouldn’t be. Over governments do not represent us, they don’t look after the good of their populous and that’s pretty obvious in the near total lack of preparation for an outbreak like this. Bill Gates called it years ago. He warned that we were critically ill-prepared for a pandemic and now we’re got it.

Gates does an awful lot for people. He’s not just a voice and has put BILLIONS of his own money behind various schemes to better the quality of life for those who are less well off. More than that, he’s an intelligent voice on so many topics but he can’t do it all himself. People have got to bloody listen to the man and get behind him. Word of mouth is pretty good. There are also many videos from him on Youtube, some about this exact scenario, from years ago. Have a look and tell someone you know about it. If you ever come face to face with a politician, ask them why they didn’t have a system in place to deal with this crisis.

I’ll stop ranting now but the sum of it all is that we’re here to be walked on for the good of these big corporations and banks. I’m not an anti-capitalist, far from it. You can believe in this system and still represent the common man who maintains society.

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[nine nine nine]

Mak, Liverpool have won the PL and that’s an inarguable fact they are uncatchable and and failure to recognise would be wholly wrong imo.

The problem is that none of us know the intricacies of the PL rules should the Season be voided, I guess it’s entirely possible that a rule exists that says if the season is null and voided then all results are null and void but to deny Liverpool the PL title if the season is voided would be morally wrong imo and hopefully that won’t happen under any circumstances.

The winners of the PL title are normally given their first match at home in the following season although it’s not guaranteed as Chelsea found out a season of two ago but given the circumstances I can’t see any reason why Liverpool shouldn’t be given their first game at home at the start of a new season to allow the trophy to be presented at Anfield especially given the circumstances when that might be though is anyone’s guess currently.

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[Mikus LFC]

Mak, alas, even without a pandemic, I have feared another economic crash at some point. We are so heavily in debt, savers are penalised, and we are not productive enough an economy that are making enough things that the world really wants. Instead we are now, generally, a low wage economy and completely reliant on other countries around the world for many goods.

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[Anonymous]

The rules might not be equipped for this this situation, so they’ve got to be adjusted, if they say we have to void the season. If they void the season, Liverpool have got to refuse to participate in the PL. It’s a monumental move but they’d be left with little option. They competed in the PL last season, running away with it to an extent that’s never been seen before. It would be nothing but robbery and I’d back the club in leaving the competition over it.

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[Chelsea1967]

Mak, fully understand your stance and frustration. I have said all along, that Liverpool should be allowed to play the next couple of fixtures that remain to mathematically win it. Maybe they could set a benchmark that the next three rounds only be played (a bit like a Duckworth Lewis) and all standings in the table upon completion of those three rounds decide everything including relegation. Put the clubs on notice of that arrangement and complete it. That could take a week in total with a mid week match. Noted that four teams have a game in hand. Complete those two matches also.

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[Anonymous]

Sadly Mac, the Liverpool title win may be beyond some of those fans you’ve shared the terraces with. They’ll never see it. Sure like you they’re desperate to win the title. I’m just not sure you’ll feel the same when the virus potentially kills members of your family.

Not a great post – Sorry mate, italy has lost it’s older generation through this and deaths fingers are starting to close around the uk for a choke hold.

Liverpool not winning the title isn’t fair. Neither is a virus starting in China killing thousands. Neither is it fair that millions will miss out on pensions having paid into them all thier lives. Get some perspective quickly because life in the uk changed over a six hour period on the markets yesterday. This is the start of worse to come. So all this talk of unfairness pales into insignificance IMO.

Anyone at Cheltenham races last week? Congratulations on killing more people. Pat yourselves on the back and don’t wash your hands and Kill some more. I know of ten people in a chain who got it from the races. All from one office.

Take this seriously everyone.

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[nine nine nine]

Mak, I think the very worst scenario is that the PL season is declared null and void I don’t think that will happen but we can’t completely rule if out because none of us know what exactly is in the rules of the PL.

If it were to happen as totally unfair as it would be to Liverpool FC and I know this came from the heart rather than the head but Liverpool FC of course couldn’t leave the PL in protest they have nowhere else to go and it would kill the Club and the owners who are at the end of the day investors would never put their investment at risk.

The only two real options are to complete the season or to freeze the table either of which means Liverpool are Champions one or two Clubs will claim the latter is unfair because of how it effects them but we are in unprecedented times and there is no solution that is doable and will please everyone. If that becomes the only viable option no relegation and a 22 team PL next season is the way to go imho.

The problem is that this season really has to be completed by June 30th otherwise players being out of contract kicks in and personally I think there’s little to no chance of that date being met as I suspect a return to football won’t happen for maybe 6 months or even longer and there will be no appetite to play this season out then.

Any attempts to complete the season by playing games one after the other on neutral grounds can’t happen given all of the current circumstances and not one emergency services person should be diverted to football.

The PL Clubs will all vote on the way to go taking into account the PL rules the first decision of which today will probably reconfirm UEFA’s decision to complete the season by June 30th and when that looks to be unachievable as it surely will they will have to vote on how they put this season to bed.

As uncomfortable as 442’s post above might make us all feel he’s right and it picks up on what I said yesterday now is not the time to agonise on how the PL might cram the last few games of the season in, events and circumstances have long overtaken that and are likely to get much worse yet. Football indeed all Sport looks very unimportant now given everything.

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[steveosnakeeye]

got to be honest chaps, anyone still worried about winning a shiney cup and calling it unfair when many are dieng, many will die, many will lose jobs, homes and many many more in the months and years to come will take their own lives is a complete fuckwit

look at the news, loook out the window and tell me football and shiny cups mean fuck all

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[Hightown hope]

While I get all this and acknowledge that this is a full blown global health and economic disaster with the likely impacts still far away from being known, my starting a new thread to lighten the mood needs supporting. Conversations, TV news, newspaper news and indeed everything else is obviously dominated by what is happening in the world, but my favourite football forum has always been a bit of a light-hearted escape from what is a pretty miserable world in many ways.

I therefore urge people to think of shallower, more light hearted topics to discuss on this forum. If you’re not interested in my suggestion, then fine, come up with something else, but this forum will fizzle out if we’re all just pontificating and going round in circles about the one topic that is dominating our lives and will surely do so for months to come. And let’s face it. none of us know anything more than we hear on the news, so we’re going round in circles anyway.

If you think I’m wrong, tell me…I’ll apologise and leave you alone, but everything, and I mean everything is absolute apocalyptically shit at the moment and I think that there should be room for a bit of completely shallow and pointless debate between us.

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[D1rtyH4rry]

Steveo- I’ll be honest, posts like yours above don’t hold any water with me. Cursing our luck that this has happened, doesn’t mean we don’t care about those affected. If anything Liverpool fans are probably hoping and praying more than anyone that this virus is brought under control.

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[steveosnakeeye]

good for you DH big of you, and why pray tell do pool fans care more than the rest of society? maybe you havent read the thread?

either way it matters not, its an opinion, one im entitled to, ive called no one out other than to say of you care about the PL trophy more than other things your a fuckwit, if no one fits in to that then its a moot point

stay safe

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[Brian blue]

No, you are not wrong Hightown but people have differing views on this and like it or not we will still be talking about it for a long time yet. However, you do raise a good point, at some point, which it will be different for each person, we need look outside the box we all find ourself in for the sake of our sanity. Yes , we can bring up different topics but that does not always generate discussion, so I guess it is a case of being patient and understanding the need of others. The forum was built around football but there is nothing to stop us having General chat, providing it is not political or religious where inflamed arguments would occur. After all, we are all supposed to be friends on here, so let us look for the good not the negative aspects of life

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[Brian blue]

Hightown…I do not do “pointless” unless we are discussing FiFa, Uefa FA and TV companies!!!!!!
My dry humour Hightown, that’s all

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[nine nine nine]

Hightown, great points I’ll make a contribution to your thread later today after I’ve given it some thought. Cheers 9’s

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[maverick1973]

I’ll stop ranting now but the sum of it all is that we’re here to be walked on for the good of these big corporations and banks. Thats it mate,politicians & Governments are nothing but a mechanism of elite & the super rich to screw the people.

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[Anonymous]

If Liverpool pull out of the PL in protest because they aren’t handed the title because thousands of people are dying from a virus that we currently can’t contain then good riddance to them. They can start again from the bottom when they do decide to re enter.

It was also suggested they play 3 games to confirm them as winners. What if they lose those games? Do they play 3 more? Then 3 more? And before you know it they’ve been allowed to play a whole season just to let them win the league whilst no other teams are allowed. Do we put the health of players, staff, officials, TV crew, police and fans that will inevitably gather outside at risk?

Bill Shankly said “ Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it’s much more serious than that.” I’m afraid that just isn’t the case and anyone that even remotely agrees with this needs serious help. It’s football. That’s it. It’s a game. Right now it is being suggested we put peoples lives at risk in order for Liverpool to complete their quest for the holy grail. Thankfully most people don’t feel that way but too many do.

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[nine nine nine]

“Former Manchester United and England defender Gary Neville is to open his hotels free of charge to health workers to help with the coronavirus crisis.

Neville’s two Manchester hotels will be closed to the public, freeing 176 beds for NHS and other medical staff.

The former United captain said none of his staff will be made redundant or asked to take unpaid leave.

“It is something we are delighted to have been able to come to an agreement with,” Neville said.

“It is at this moment in time that the whole of our industry needs to show solidarity, not just for our staff in these uncertain times, but for the people who need the accommodation most in the coming months,” Neville said.

Neville co-owns two hotels with former team-mate Ryan Giggs, the Stock Exchange Hotel in the city centre and Hotel Football at Old Trafford.

Both with be closed to the public on Sunday and available to health workers from Friday after consultation with the health service in Greater Manchester.

“Our staff will operate the hotel as normal when health workers are allowed to stay there without any cost whatsoever when they need isolation away from family members who might be affected,” explained Neville.

Earlier on Monday, Chelsea announced a similar move to open the hotel owned by the club to NHS staff.” BBC Football

Nice touch from Garry Neville too.

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[sean the sailor]

Who is the many Paxton mate?

Alls I’ve read is opposing fans using the virus to try and get one over on Liverpool fans.

I’ve a child with asthma and two elderly parents with underlying health issue and me and all my friends who support liverpool haven’t discussed the league at all

It’s not just about Liverpool. It’s about all the teams. The seasons have to finished for all clubs.

Were did you hear about Liverpool playing 3 games to win it? Someone’s opinion?

I haven’t watched sky sports at all because of the bullshit speculation people are spouting . Even on here which is why I blanked it for a few days.

Whatever the pl decide goes but this is not all just about Liverpool at all with regards football. It’s about the whole football nation which is going to be dramatically affected.

Everything else in life is going to change so why can’t football. Finish the season no matter when it is. If the pl decide not to then fair enough. I’ll accept any decision because as you say this is all about life and death mate.

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[Anonymous]

Sean – if you look on other sites (Twitter and reddit) there are plenty of people. It’s far from the majority but on this site specifically mak has been going on about it pretty regularly. The suggestion to play three games was on this thread. I didn’t say it was a popular opinion, but it was a suggested which is what I said. When people say only Liverpool should get to play their games so they can secure the title then that is making it all about Liverpool. I understand the frustration from Liverpool fans but all this is so much bigger than football. In fact football is completely irrelevant at the moment.

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[steveosnakeeye]

all this site should be is a support network for those of us who are here, to offer support and advice and stop the boredom, no football until it restarts as whats the point, im not against the feeling of liverpool fans and for me they have won the PL whatever happens, no two ways about it, but then thats been the case since December, as Sean has said himself, there are so many worries for family members, my own mum is in Ireland i dont get to see her or look after her but i know she is in safe hands with my sister and local comunty who are all pullung together thankfully

lets not go down this road, just hope you are all safe nd well

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