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Mak… I still cant quite believe this is actually happening. Everything stopping is just surreal. Truly strange days. Been trying to work out what advice to give my folks today on a way to disinfect goods coming into the house to stop cross contamination, any suggestions welcome?!?! These are just strange questions to have to ask yourself right?
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Chelseaman, good advice, the markets should be frozen.
442, this season started out and carried on in a very surreal manner for us but this is just off the charts now. We’re falling down the rabbit hole here, when really it was just a bit peculiar before.
As for the wiping down of things, my own mam mentioned it their earlier. So many things that we didn’t think of before but are now all a bit more conscious of. There may be good to come of this whole thing yet though. I mean look at SARRs, that killed 10% or so of the people it infected. There’s nothing to say you might not get one that kills more and what we learn from this more mild version, is how to deal with it but also to fund a stockpile of emergency supplies (that politicians wouldn’t want coming out of their budget, before). There’s a lot to learn here and that includes this attitude that it’s nothing, that you see from quite a few people out there. it might not kill them but they might pass it onto someone who it does. Well, i see this discussion developing and I think a lot of people are learning that. Some never will but that’s always the way.
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Mak, I don’t think there’s only a very very small percentage of mean minded people who think Liverpool shouldn’t be awarded the title and it would imo be ridiculous not to let them lift the PL trophy but it’s everything else that is really the problem the European places and the promotion and relegation places that need to be sorted out and not just in the PL.
The best solution is to complete the fixtures but UEFA need to know who is competing in the CL by early June and squads will change in June players are out of contract Chelsea for instance have Giroud, Willian and Pedro out of contract and Zilyich arriving does Zilyich get to play in those last 9 games and what about the out of contract players all three of whom over the last few weeks have been playing an important part in Chelsea trying to hold achieve a top 4 place.
If sections of society in the UK are going to be isolated for 4 months as is being suggested which his a very very serious step I can’t see how the last 9 games are likely to be crammed in to the Summer personally I think there’s every chance that the new season won’t start until September and maybe even that’s being optimistic.
It’s an ever changing scenario and football has to be driven by what’s happening to the Country as a whole imo.
Nothing is ideal but saying the League is frozen as it stands the title is awarded to Liverpool no one is relegated and the two top teams in the Championship looks like the best compromise.
But whatever is decided is going to leave some unhappy but null and voiding the season and denying Liverpool the title is a step far to far imho.
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“but UEFA need to know who is competing in the CL by early June and squads will change in June players are out of contract Chelsea for instance have Giroud, Willian and Pedro out of contract ”
Well, as for the first part of this, UEFA won’t need this information in June because they are in the same boas as the PL. It’s not that they will decide the same things but they are affected by the same problem and I imagine that as any decisions are made, communication will be key. These are exceptional times and flexibility has got to a priority for all parties.
When it comes to player contracts, now this is honestly a very interesting scenario. I mean, if we forget the seriousness of the situation for a minute, it is anyway. What will they do here, I’ve no idea but I think something will be worked out. I think the transfer windows will be pushed back but this is all too hard to predict for now, so i think this is something that will be agreed once a plan forward can be mapped. We just don’t have the information at hand.. it’s a bit like when a team wins the first 5 games of a season and you’re excited but it’s just not enough to suggest that they will even do well. We just don’t know when this virus will be contained.
“I can’t see how the last 9 games are likely to be crammed in to the Summer”
I agree completely, which is why they need to look at it as an interruption over multiple seasons and not something that can be corrected by imposing just on the next one.
by this I mean that with discussions going around that we could put the Euros off until 2021, we could manage with that… it’s not enough. We need to push the Euros off entirely, until 2024 and also push the starting point of next season off, perhaps also canceling the domestic cups (more chance to squeeze fixtures in) and from there we will hopefully be able to get the 9 games plus the european games in and then half a full league and european season.
Now, if the virus sticks around longer again, which is actually very very likely, we will have to push further back, which will mean a later start to the season for the ,following year and also perhaps the collapsing of other non-essential tournaments. If we rule the PL sides out of the domestic cups for a year or 2, we might actually see a rejuvenation of these tournaments. sometimes good things come from bad times.
My overall point here though is that we are needlessly compartmentalizing this, or limiting the scope of adaptive measures, unnecessarily. It won’t kill people to start 2 weeks late in 2022, or stuff like that. We’ll eventually right this ship, we just have to think outside of immediate terms.
“It’s an ever changing scenario and football has to be driven by what’s happening to the Country as a whole imo. ”
My entire position is based around this, even if it might not seem like it when I now say “we’ve got to finish the season”. I am a bit of a gamer, in that I play some games and 1 of them is taken kinda seriously. I couldn’t explain it in short but it’s not a game with kids or teenagers, it’s pretty much entirely adult men of all ages. There are groups and you rely on eachother and it can be kinda strict at times… but anyone worth listening to puts real life before the game. People don’t get shit for something that real life forced upon them and there is a similarity there, a correlation of sorts, in that football, with all it’s rules and restrictions, must adapt to real life because real life is more important.
I honestly don’t know what will happen with the out of contract players because this goes beyond football and becomes a genuine legal matter. I’m hoping that in most cases, some kind of agreement can be reached. This is way above my pay-grade though, so I couldn’t possibly guess, although it’s fascinating and I can’t wait to see what happens.
over time though, I’ve had a lot to digest here. I’ve said it all and you guys have opened up some nice avenues of thought on the matter. However, I have I think finally decided what I think needs to happen and that is that one way or the other, the PL must be finished. One everything is contained and we’re all good, this season must be completed or I don’t think this amazing team will get the credit they deserve. I also want to say that it must happen because there’s no guarantee that they will repeat this. As we’ve seen of late, they are human. They’ve lost 4 out of I think 6. Maybe City win the PL next season and we’re just a bit of a side show. Maybe Utd come flying back. I actually wouldn’t be surprised and I call the Fernadez transfer as possibly being the catalyst. Once I saw his spirit, i just knew TBH. They’ve lacked character, not quality. That guy has bags of it. So, maybe they make 2-3 signings that gell well? That would put them right back into title contention (under the assumption that us or city don’t fly away like recent times.)
anyway im waffling a bit here..
I’ll leave you with one thing. I wish we signed Fernandez.
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BTW Nine, I appreciate your and others remarks on here regards what should happen to the title. If it were voided, I’d consider giving up PL football. I say consider, because it would be so difficult but there is a logical aspect to it and that says that, if you compete and are on course to achieve something , then you cant just have it taken away. Definitely not when there are other solutions anyway. I’ve spoken previously about football having to adapt but there are better choices than a void, always.
“Nothing is ideal but saying the League is frozen as it stands the title is awarded to Liverpool no one is relegated and the two top teams in the Championship looks like the best compromise.
What I’m going to say though is”I think you made a typo or something when you spoke about the top 2 in the championship and it’s on this point that I am responded. I hope you meant to say that the top 2 are promoted? they are doing so well that it just doesn’t sit right with me to say “better luck next time”. They were competing for a place in the PL and as things stand, they look really good to achieve that (putting play off rules aside because they are too complicated in this matter).
I think we’ve got to give them their rightful chance at entering the PL. Now, I had some other ideas about this but I think the PL must adapt to the scenario here and as I think you said, accept the top 2 into the PL, maybe even all 3 tbh. it’s only fair. Who are we to tell them that their efforts for the vast majority of the season must go for nothing?
As for the Cl places, I am certain hat we need to just go from average points. That is IF we can’t just finish the season, which is what I think us and Utd fans want the most now. I am 90% sure that Utd get in the top 5 after 38 games. I think they feel it too. I am 100% sure that we win the PL after 38.. I’m not sure Leeds win the Championship cause they have a habit of falling away but as things stand they are there and we’ve got to appreciate that, unless…
I’ve not been to the point here, apologies but I hope it’s worth the chore of reading 😛
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Mak, my poor writing.?
What that sentence should have said was “Nothing is ideal but saying the League is frozen as it stands the title is awarded to Liverpool no one is relegated and the two top teams in the Championship “are promoted” looks like the best compromise.
I missed out the two most crucial words “are promoted” doh!
That would give us a PL of 22 teams next season with 5 teams relegated next season to get us back to a 20 team PL the season after.
Whilst I totally agree with Liverpool being awarded the title I don’t agree that we should try and cram the last 9 games in and start next season after the 9 games have been completed and let those 9 games impact on next season or future seasons.
Those 9 games would be tainted anyway if we tried to play from June onwards when Clubs are likely to have completely different squads with players out of contract and moved on and new players having joined. There would already be a new 42 game League season to play and players need a break in the Summer and a proper pre season.
The fairest and most sensible way though still imperfect is for the 2019/20 PL to be frozen as it stands and we move on to a new 2020/21 PL season with the current 20 teams plus the two promoted teams as early as we possibly can from August which in fact may well not be until September or later given all of the current circumstances that way we limit the damage to the PL to just one season rather than two or more seasons.
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“The Mirror have seemingly caught midfielder Mason Mount enjoying a kick around in the park with friend and England team mate Declan Rice on Sunday.
They claim that Mount now faces a major dressing down from Stamford Bridge chiefs, having been told to stay at home.
The pair joined a training match at Trent Park Football centre, near Barnet, on Sunday lunchtime.”
Totally unacceptable Mason given the current circumstances!
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I know we’ve all got far more things to worry about than the footy, but there are too many questions about this, and for sure there’s going to be some upset bunnies (with regards to footy) when this all sorts itself out.
It’s all well and good sorting out who get the pot (not that many non-LiVARberoOol fans really give a toss one way or the other), and the “idea” of promoting the TOP 2 and having a 22 team next year sounds “reasonable” (although I suspect several clubs in the Championship will have something to say about that!) but what about the EURO places? That is also going to have a major impact on numerous clubs?
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UK Virus ALERT
The English are feeling the pinch in relation to recent virus threat and have therefore raised their threat level from “Miffed” to “Peeved.” Soon, though, level may be raised yet again to “Irritated” or even “A Bit Cross.”
The English have not been “A Bit Cross” since the blitz in 1940 when tea supplies nearly ran out.
The virus has been re-categorized from “Tiresome” to “A Bloody Nuisance.” The last time the British issued a “Bloody Nuisance” warning level was in 1588, when threatened by the Spanish Armada.
The Scots have raised their threat level from “Pissed Off” to “Let’s Get the Bastard.” They don’t have any other levels. This is the reason they have been used on the front line of the British army for the last 300 years.
The French government announced yesterday that it has raised its alert level from “Run” to “Hide.” The only two higher levels in France are “Collaborate” and “Surrender.” The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France’s white flag factory, effectively paralyzing the country’s military capability.
Italy has increased the alert level from “Shout Loudly and Excitedly” to “Elaborate Military Posturing.” Two more levels remain: “Ineffective Combat Operations” and “Change Sides.”
The Germans have increased their alert state from “Disdainful Arrogance” to “Dress in Uniform and Sing Marching Songs.” They also have two higher levels: “Invade a Neighbour” and “Lose.”
Belgians, on the other hand, are all on holiday as usual; the only threat they are worried about is NATO pulling out of Brussels.
The Spanish are all excited to see their new submarines ready to deploy. These beautifully designed subs have glass bottoms so the new Spanish navy can get a really good look at the old Spanish navy.
Australia, meanwhile, has raised its alert level from “No worries” to “She’ll be alright, Mate.” Two more escalation levels remain: “Crikey! I think we’ll need to cancel the barbie this weekend!” and “The barbie is cancelled.” So far, this final drastic measure has sadly been enforced for the Royal Sydney Show and other large public gatherings.
The Russians have said “Its not us.”
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Hopefully this lightens things a little. Plenty of truth in it – Trump in the centre of it all as usual.
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that was very good! made me chuckle
“munted dumbfuckery” classic
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BREAKING:UEFA to cancel all the leagues & declare the leaders of every league as champions.
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Where did you hear that, Mav? Nothing on the Beeb website
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HH-Reports from Spanish & some German media as to what will happen on Tuesday.
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Mav, I’m not sure it’s in UEFA’s remit to do that. I’ve tried Googling it but can’t find anything on it.
Given what is being announced this afternoon though it looks unlikely that the 9 remaining games can be played before July at they earliest. My personal view is that even the 2020/21 season may not start until September at the earliest.
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Chucky, “It’s all well and good sorting out who get the pot (not that many non-LiVARberoOol fans really give a toss one way or the other), and the “idea” of promoting the TOP 2 and having a 22 team next year sounds “reasonable” (although I suspect several clubs in the Championship will have something to say about that!) but what about the EURO places? That is also going to have a major impact on numerous clubs?”
The million dollar question.
Only 3 options really imo:
1) cram the last 9 games of the season. Which seems very unlikely given the Government’s latest announcements.
2) freeze the PL as of the last game with Liverpool Champions all teams in their current positions who qualify for the CL or the EL qualify, no teams relegated and two teams promoted from the Championship making it a 22 Club PL next season with 5 teams relegated at the end of the 20/21 season.
3) base qualification for the CL and EL on last season’s League positions and use the same strategy for relegation and promotion.
A strategy will ultimately emerge from the PL.
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9, you missed 4) Void the season
One other thing to take into consideration is that teams rip up their pitches and relay them in between seasons, so something needs to be sorted.
To be honest I’m not fussed whatever happens as long as it’s consistent across all our leagues, you can’t declare a champion without having relegation.
As long as it’s consistent and they make a decision I think the vast majority will take it on the chin…..Pagan
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9s-No idea what will happen on Tuesday but thats what is being suggested in some quarters in Europe.
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Putting on my Special-K Sunglasses I vote for option 3!! 🙂
And obviously the bottom 6 are all going to vote for whatever “deal” involves no relegation.
The big sticking point is what about the EURO spots, because I can’t see those outside the Top4/EL going away quietly with the “freeze the table now and those that are in, are in” approach. There will be law-suits aplenty I would think.
Infact, I’m going to think there will be law-suits aplenty if they do anything other than implement the rules as they currently exist.
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Can UEFA do that? (Declare everybody Champions). Surely that’s up to the local FA’S to declare their own champions? Just as it’s up to the local FA’S to nominate who their representitives are in the EURO comps?
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