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[Chelsea1967]

and Trump’s latest insensitive comment when he remarked on a “great day” for George Floyd, during a news conference about employment data.

Speaking at the White House, Mr Trump hailed new statistics from the Labor Department which showed employers added 2.5 million workers to their payrolls last month.

“This is a great day for equality,” the president said. “Hopefully George is looking down and saying this is a great thing that’s happening for our country.”

It comes after days of protests around the country, sparked by Mr Floyd’s death in police custody.

The guy is totally unhinged, a lunatic. Surely on November 3 the country will get it right. No way can the clown get another 4 years.

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[Chucky McChuckface]

67… but you need to remember the Presidency is won by winning the electoral college, not the popular vote. Considering his support has stayed pretty much the same throughout the last 3 and a bit years, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he won many of the same states again and another 4 years.

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[nine nine nine]

Nobody can argue with the demonstrations happening in both the UK and around the world the only worrying thing is the fact that they are all happening whilst the world is in the middle of a pandemic and we can only hope and pray it doesn’t add to that. Black lives matter. Indeed all Lives matter.

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Chucky-

Imo he benefited last time because people thought they were voting for the lesser of the 2 evils. Some democrats voted for him because they didn’t want Hilary as president. Will be interesting this time round. I reckon he will win it again. Biden is Obama v2, people will just reflect back on the Obama days and vote for Trump.

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[Brian blue]

CM it would also if programmes like Newsnight did not do there witch-hunt act and as a PUBLIC broadcaster reverted to be impartial reporting again

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[Brian blue]

CM I should also add in the protest meetings, my guess would be that in those that attended Proffessors, Lawyers, teachers Doctors MPs etc all who should no better amongst them

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[Mikus LFC]

Problem in this Brian is that both sides who have broken the rules think they are justified because of their politics hence each side has still criticised the other for breaking the rules because both sides think they are more worthy than the other. It’s all very worrying, and I’m afraid a sign of ever deeper instability in the world. I think we’re also seeing the 21st century unfolding before our very eyes, with the West in general, in decline, with China the emerging and rising power.

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[steveosnakeeye]

i have been watching a HBO series, very very american but actually very good and interesting, they go through the decades form 60’s to 90’s and so so much history in them and so very interesting, the one thing that does stick out is the racism stuff, obviously the gap in years from whites only transport/entrances etc i really not that long ago, then ive seen so many major events that have lead to civil unrest, and several happened each decade causing huge civil disturbance and protest (martin luthar king/rodney king etc) and nothing has really changed in many ways and so i dont think anything will….its a sad indictment of humanity but its very ingrained…there are dozens and dozens of these example over the last 40-50 years etc

recommend a watch by the way….oh and forged in fire!!! absolutely loving it!!

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Brian-

I believe it down to when these things are happening too. 1 side is protesting when the lockdown rules have been eased, schools have reopened, more shops are opened and more people are returning to work.

Whilst the others and Cummings did it prior. Cummings bent the rules a week after the PM announced the whole country was going in to lockdown, which he help apply and then went to “check his eye sight” with his child in the back of the car on his wifes birthday and whilst the we were at our peak of the virus.

This just shows lack of leadership. Now there is talk of track and trace not being ready till September with the app being broken, 1 of the key things which allowed lockdown to be eased.

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[sean the sailor]

Cm, good to see you on here mate. Always enjoyed our conversations over the years

The uks deaths are still in triple figures which is very concerning. Italy , who 6 weeks looked like a country that was ravaged, have not had triple figure deaths in a good while

It seems like I’m picking on the uk government but they really do look bad. Some many ambiguous messages and they have got so many things wrong

Ireland’s politicians are gangsters. They have scourged the country for years but they have done a half decent job. Still you have our leader quoting Frodo baggins on Friday ?. The chap is an idiot .

They have got many things wrong but they have had a clear plan.

I totally agree with none about the protests. It’s not the time during a pandemic .

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[sean the sailor]

I could be wrong but most countries seem to be really recovering while the uk still had deaths in triple numbers and the R number is 1 in many regions??

Why are the government looking to ease restrictions?

Just trying to understand the logic and what is going on over in the uk

As I think you guys could be heading for a 2nd lockdown???

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[steveosnakeeye]

its quite simple Sean, another proposed £3m unemployed is the latest figure if we dont start reopening, apparently when Boris was told this he basically said “christ, get reopening moved up”

rightly or wrongly the cost is rising faster than any virus for the world, the debt, job loses and all the social troubles that come with that

this virus will only be sorted via herd immunity, not a vaccine, vaccines help but ONLY herd immunity over a period of time is what will bring this down to a flu/SARS type virus that the world will have to live with in a seasonal way as we do currently

all we can do is try to slow the spread to cope with cases and obviously save lives but there is a tipping point for each country and the world as a whole

any country could head another lock down, no one has been able to reopen fully business as usual

yes some countries are doing better but you cant compre like for like so many variables

just saw a very unhelpful interview from a yank, basically saying COMMUNIST CHINA is activly trying to hinder or stop other nations efforts and getting a vaccine and if they get it first they wont share it, some of the things being said openly at the highest levels around the wolrld are very worrying, a lot of racism and bad feeling

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[sean the sailor]

Hey stevo, thanks for the reply. Totally understand about the economy mate. I’m all for pushing forward etc.

Lot of contradictions on a daily basis from government leaders all over the globe.

Very difficult to know what the solution is but I’m happy to see a bit of forward thinking

A 2nd wave is frightening as it means much more deaths and everything going backwards again.

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[steveosnakeeye]

i honestly dont see how nations wont get a second and third wave, its a virus with currently no cure that isnt going away, lockdown only SLOWS the spread, nothing else, but it is still there, tho i am actually very surprised certain countries havent as yet, no doubt how you come out of lockdown makes a big difference but it really is almost pointless to compare nations, the best thing to compare would be major cities maybe so if Paris and Berlin can reopen and not get a second wave then yes i believe London should to so if we do and they dont then maybe we can say the gov have fucked us but its way way to early for any of that and still so much unknown and changing….

if we get a second wave its going to happen, unless we stay in lockdown indefinatley or until a remedy id found then nothing else is more likely

its all frightneing mate, the loss of life currently the potential of more, the job loss and mental health the econmy of countries regions and the world as a whole the social disturbance and unrest….so much more than virus deaths to worry about now

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[Chelsea1967]

It doesn’t stop 10s of thousands of people gping out en masse protesting shoulder to shoulder.

Not the right time and if there is a 2nd wave rolling in over the next fortnight then they are all responsible. Manslaughter anyone?

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[nine nine nine]

67,I would be amazed if we don’t see a spike wherever significant protests have happened around the world.

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[Pagan]

67, not sure you’ve grasped racism, and how it actually is out there. You want to stop the protests about people being murdered round the world due to the colour of their skin until we have a vaccine, well there is no vaccine for racism, and there may not be one for the Coronavirus.

I know a cricketer who was racially abused last year in an adults game, they used the n word and made it quite clear she should go back where they came from, totally unacceptable and even more so when you know it’s a 14 year old girl.

Bottom line, saying they shouldn’t protest because there’s a virus that’s been around for 6 months and saying they should be charged with manslaughter for doing so is ok until you factor in that people have been murdered for the last couple of hundred years due to their race……Pagan

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[Chelsea1967]

I’ve grasped everything very well and totally agree with the protests but not now. The most ludicrous timing of it. Racism has been around for hundreds of years and these protests could have been done last year, the years before that, whenever. Tens of thousands getting out there right now shoulder to shoulder is insane. I haven’t seen my old man for two months as he is in lockup in a nursing home to protect him from the disease. Approx 17 out of 35 died in another nursing home where the disease infiltrated. They are just starting to lighten up with all sorts of restrictions and this happens. My old man is 87 with dementia. The lockdown rule is that there cannot be a new case of corona virus within 20 kms of where he is living. 30 odd thousand people in the city within 20 kms of where he is protesting shoulder to shoulder puts it all at risk. Who knows, I may never get to see him again. He could pass away any old time. I have my reasons and am disappointed at the idea of even an inkling of a suggestion that I have no sympathy for racially abused people. Far from it. If howevger there is a second wave and multiple deaths as a result of these protests then those people should be responsible.

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[Pagan]

67, you have absolutely no idea….Pagan

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[Chelsea1967]

If 30,000 or 40,000 people of their own choice and, I assume with the Government’s blessing get together to protest a cause of major significance (were any of them fined for breaking any social distancing laws?I’d say no) then the Government may as well let 40,000 people fill Stamford Bridge in a few weeks time for a football match. These protests are not a one off, there will be more and more of them. America has had about 12 days of rolling protests in about as many major cities. I was as shocked and saddened as anyone having seen that video of the death of George Floyd and fully understand the reaction. 12 days of rolling protests at this time with Corona Virus rampant. Is that justified? In Sydney we have had 2 protests so far and a third planned. Months of lock downs, a totally screwed economy all to reduce the risk of death from Corona Virus ( which we have done well with only 102 to date) Why did we bother? We may as well have done a Sweden.

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