CL Round of 16/ EL Round of 16.

[Chucky McChuckface]

Come on, behave, he inherited a Europa League Squad and has turned them into a Champions League Squad, which consdiering the level of competition in the PREM combined with the amount of money he’s spent doing it is rather remarkable I think. Dismissing it is sour grapes…

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[nine nine nine]

As I said Chucky I think he’s done a good development job at Spurs but 6 of the players Poch inherited figured against Dortmund last night and Harry took Spurs to the Qtr Finals of the CL before Poch took over. And Spurs have qualified for the CL 4 times in the last 10 seasons.

As I said nothing won in 5 years would have meant the sack at a lot of the top Club’s and to go to that next level Poch needs to start winning trophies either at Spurs or elsewhere.

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[Chucky McChuckface]

I’ll ignore you’re second sentence, as that’s not wot we’re talking about…. 🙂

we’ll agree to disagree on the other one, will maintain we weren’t that good before he took over and the REGULAR starting 11 feature about 3 of those players you mentioned…

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[Mikus LFC]

Remarkable perhaps. But has he hit his ceiling? Also this idea that if you gave him big bucks he’d be hugely better – I think it’s more complicated than that. One of the reasons for Spurs “success” under Poch is that he has a smaller more closely knitted team which no doubt helps with the harmony of everything. Finding the right player in terms of both competence and mental strength can actually be very difficult (as well as ensuring they don’t disturb the harmony). Everyone talks about Man City and their money but boy they’ve wasted some over the years. And £60 millon on Mahrez this season?? He’s not really taken them up another notch has he?? Big money is not necessarily the silver bullet it’s made out to be.

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[Chucky McChuckface]

Micky… for me, Spuds kinda need to follow the current Pool tactic, namely rather than buy 4/5 players for the squad and hope 1/2 become regular 1st teamers, just go out and buy a 60/70 plus level of player for your weakest position like Dick Van Dyke and Alice last year.

Right now, I think a top, top CM, and full-backs are our weak spot… we’ll possibly end-up with Rice and/or that young LB at Norwich and see how good they get in 2/3 years…

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[Mikus LFC]

Also just to add, Man City’s first two recent titles (Mancini & Pellegrini) were won on goal difference and by 2 points respectively. Now I’m not saying they weren’t deserved but in another season they could easily have finished 2nd. It was only last season, under a more ruthless winner like Guardiola that they won by some distance. The manager still makes a huge difference.

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[nine nine nine]

Good point Mikus. Klopp has spent very well broadly speaking as has imo has Pep.

How well Poch would spend a significant transfer budget and we probably won’t find out at Spurs.

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[Nike19]

Mikus @ 1:02, my thoughts exactly.

Add to that the weight of expectation from all quarters of Man United. Some out there more than adamant they should be winning League Titles.

I remember early 90s when this was happening to Liverpool – cue the old chestnut of Football being ‘cyclical’.

Let’s say Poch goes there, and doesn’t win as much within a 3/4 timespan, then he’ll be shown the door. Levy might now always license the dough, but equally, he doesn’t seem the type to be breathing down Poch’s neck because he’s proved he can give Tottenham CL Football which in itself breeds revenue that will contribute paying for the New Stadia.

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[Chucky McChuckface]

Another angle to possibly consider, is perhaps there are two ways to build a great team. You can go out and buy 5/6/7 players every window and hope the manager can very quickly build a team out of them… or you can give the players you already have a chance to gel and improve as a team.

(I think the perfect balance is maybe 1/2 players a year who can walk straight into the 1st team myself!).

Maybe it’s the influx of money that has made the first option a more “popular” route to what I remember as a nipper, possibly mixed in with the desire for “instant” success. Perhaps Poncho has really had his hands tied about the cash, perhaps (and I hope) it’s more down to him not wanting to buy just for the sake of it, but I think it’s also good for football to see a team doing pretty well with a stable and settled squad.

Sure, some of you will come out with the old “but he’s won nowt”, but we’re forgetting there are clubs outside the Top 6, who have no choice but to follow the “stable and settled squad” route, and this gives the fans of those clubs hope for the future… and that’s good for the game I think.

Just think about it, unless you’re a fan of City, Chelsea or YooUtd, the best season in the last decade or so was the year Leicester won it in my opinion.

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[Nike19]

They were contributing factors my good mate in Leicester winning it – credit where credits due to them and as a whole unit, they clicked in 2016 when all the other usual suspects were stuck in their own pit-stop.

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[Mikus LFC]

Nil, there could well be any element of Poch being a victim of his own “success” from Levy’s point of view.

Banjo, the problem for Spurs also (and I genuinely mean no disrespect, I sympathise) is that they would struggle to compete signing certain players even if they did have bigger money because the other traditional top clubs are still the most attractive destination. I still think though regardless of the financial capability we’ve still seen enough of Poch to judge that he’s still not ruthless enough to win things (and I concede you could say the same about Klopp). You need to see coaches adapt to certain conditions because in that case winning means more than playing their own philosophy. When Mourinho went to City with Chelsea some years ago he just had a tailor made plan to stifle them and win the game at all costs. They may not be popular these people, but winners rarely are. But then could Mourinho have done what Poch has?? It could just be a case of horses for courses with these managers depending on where a club is at.

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[Anonymous]

Honestly, I don’t know how to feel about PSG beating Utd. There’s a long and hard rivalry between Liverpool and Utd but PSG just left a bitter taste in my mouth. They are just a dirty stain on this sport. The talk is that he’s leaving etc etc but I think Neymar couldn’t be at a more suitable side. Ye know I don’t like the few dives that Salah has made this season, so you can imagine how much i dislike neymar and PSG. They are nothing but a load of prima-donna cheating bastards.

I haven’t got an ounce of respect for them, even if their technical ability outstrips Liverpool’s. They have a void where other groups have character or spine.

It’s going to be incredibly difficult for Utd to over-turn that score-line. I don’t think they will do it but it’s not impossible. Ye’ve just got to turn it on and take the game to them. There will never be any love lost between us.. it’ll be right back to loathing Utd when we play in just 10 days but when it comes to your next game against PSG, I’m supporting Utd.

I’ve said it.

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[Nike19]

Mikus, in theory, wouldn’t that be applied to any given team?

If you raise the bar once or twice, the level of expectation changes for some fans irrespective of what realistically can be achieved.

Take Leicester for example. Some of their supporters believe they should be able to nail down a Uefa Cup spot.

If Poch was showing a decline though and he was unable to improve the squad, then naturally, there would be forced changes.

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[nine nine nine]

“Just think about it, unless you’re a fan of City, Chelsea or YooUtd, the best season in the last decade or so was the year Leicester won it in my opinion.” I think you probably need to add a fan of Spurs to that.?

But I think you’re right although we’ll probably never see the like of a Leicester again in our lifetimes.

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[Nike19]

Real Madrid and Sergio Ramos leave a bitter taste in my mouth. PSG are PSG and don’t really bother me albeit Neymar.

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[nine nine nine]

The big one tonight Malmö v Chelsea.?

Haven’t got a clue what the team will be although I suspect it will be asquad team or which Chelsea will turn up but the Club desperately need a result and I’m hoping to see a more pragmatic Sarri over the next few games.

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[nine nine nine]

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[Editor]

Certainly not taking anything away from the job Poch has done. He’s done a decent job but people and the media have a habit of getting carried away. 5 years and £300mil later, Poch has not even looked close to winning a trophy. That’s what you’re essentially judged on when you spend that kind of money and have the players Poch has at his disposal.

Mikus, great points about ruthlessness. As Wenger (version 1) perfectly symbolised, the longer it’s deemed acceptable to be almost good enough, the less likely your players are going to suddenly become good enough when it really matters. There has to be a degree of ruthlessness in any group of players and the manager. It’s definitely a modern phenomenon where playing pretty football and qualifying for the CL has almost become the new winning trophies.

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[Chucky McChuckface]

Malmo vs Chelsea…. who the hell to I boo in that one???

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[Anonymous]

Ed ,” £300m later “care to back that load of b……s up ?????

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