CL and EL Qtr Finals.

[Nike19]

All doom and gloom then!

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[steveosnakeeye]

on the plus side, lots more goals

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[sean the sailor]

It was reviewed nine and no pen given

There were 3 appeals all which would have been given next season

Great to get a clean sheet last night and a few players rested

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[Nike19]

We were comfortable enough with the 2-0 win, but can’t discount the chances Porto had and that we must me mindful of going into the return leg.

I think going forward, we’re in need of another centre-half, though Lovren to be fair didn’t particularly have a bad game.

Job done and can’t look forward tonight in being a neutral, although I’ll wish Ole and the United team well and hope they can turnover Barcelona!

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[Nike19]

Sean, you are right. It was reviewed.

If people want to moan about that, then they can factor in our disallowed goal of Mane.

That for me evened itself out.

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[nine nine nine]

Sean, didn’t know it was reviewed mate. Given the new UEFA rules surprising it wasn’t given. But goodness knows how many pens will be conceded next season if these rules are applied to the PL.

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[nine nine nine]

Nil, what gloom and doom? and don’t be daft I wasn’t moaning about anything my post was about the uncertainties and inconsistencies of VAR.

Read what Pochettino has said last night about VAR in my post!!!

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[nine nine nine]

Stevo, you’re right there mate.

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[Mikus LFC]

Looking at the Rose incident again (below for anyone who missed it), UEFA might as well make the rule “thou shall not attempt to block any shot with the body any more” because it’s impossible not to block a shot with your hands right by your sides. That’s the practical consequence of putting this rule in.

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[nine nine nine]

Mikus, I thought Rio made a very good point last night about having an ex player on the VAR reviews.

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[steveosnakeeye]

iMikus, I agree to a degree, he slid in his hands were where they were and the ball hit his hand, but it did stop a likely goal, as long as the rule is consistant for all tteams then i actually dont mind and will be happy with a few more goals going in and some high scoring matches, the difference will be when even with VAR the rule is not consistant, i think they are basically trying to take away any ambiguity what so ever

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[Mikus LFC]

Problem is Steveo, they are also actually changing the game as a consequence. Unless they iron these problems out, defenders will now avoid going to block shots altogether. This could have unseen consequences – for example, could attackers (who are known to be good strikers from outside the box) start getting man marked to stop them ever shooting in the first place? Just thinking aloud here but there can often be unintended consequences with such things, particularly if you take one of the previously legal options for a defender off the table. Surely something will replace it?

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[steveosnakeeye]

of course they are changing the game and its not the first time, they changed the off side rule to stop goal hnagers, they have done much, we as fans will nveer agree on all things or all decisions but what we can say is officiating is crap because the rules are to ambiguous….im not saying its the best thing to happen but it does (at least should) take all ambiguity away, it wont stop last minute sliding tackles at all, it just means IF the ball hits an arm of the slider stopping a goal its a penalty and i frankly do agree with that….had a discussion with 999, on the other site, what i can see happening with clever players/teams is them deliberatly lifting the ball or striking the ball in the box in such a way as to increase chances of hitting an arm…unfair…YES…but it IS the same for all so no advantage one way or the other, removes special treatment of bigger teams IF the rules are applied concistantly…and thats the real issue

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[Chucky McChuckface]

Agree with Buffy, regardless of whether the rules are stupid or not, at least get them employed on a consistent basis so it’s the same for everybody…

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[nine nine nine]

I suspect as the reality of these new rules hit home Managers and players will adapt to them as best they can.

At least we all will know inc the players and Managers that if you slide into block a shot a la Danny Rose last night and your arm/ hand stops the shoot the likelihood is that a penalty will be awarded by VAR.

Like any new rule it will take time to get accustomed to it.

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[Nike19]

Nine, you seem immediate to point out new rules, VAR and so called inconsistencies.

The reality is that there will be ‘inconsistencies’ as you put it or how others may perceive it because The officiating is managed by different sets of human beings and their judgement is based on their perception, e.g. ball to hand or a blatant handball.

Anybody in fairness to them having a degree of knowledge or playing experience can truthfully see what’s what and most importantly, taking into account the context of the situation.

Allison palmed off onto Trent, something he himself did not inflict.

Not a handball in my view.

I also don’t understand parallels of 2 different games being compared just because VAR was being implemented.

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[Mikus LFC]

Steveo, that’s fair enough. I’m just simply pointing out as you also do that it could create new problems. Regarding the inconsistency, a big problem is this wording of the “natural silhouette” of a player which could be interpreted differently depending on the individual. So it still can boil down to a subjective opinion. It could still have been argued for example that Rose was in a natural silhouette considering the action he took. So I think that needs looking at. There is ambiguity in the rule itself.

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[steveosnakeeye]

maybe they shoulod do away with hand ball all together but the also keepers but have any player be able to handle the ball, 11 outfield players ;)…maybe bigger goals though 🙂

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[nine nine nine]

Nil, ” you seem immediate to point out new rules, VAR and so called inconsistencies”?

Seriously Nil what are you going on about both games were played last night this is a CL thread for discussions of CL games and the incidents in those games and both incidents were discussed on TV in depth last night. I’m guessing as you don’t have BT Sport you’re probably not up to speed with that.

Following the introduction of VAR I’m not sure I even understand the handball rules anymore and the pundits on BT Sport which included Glen Hoddle and Rio Ferdinand last night seemingly feel the same way with their view being if it was handball against Danny Rose and a penalty and they didn’t think it should be then the TAA incident was an even more obvious example of handball and a penalty under these new rules and utilisation of VAR.

My raising of both issues were purely in relevance to the problems and discrepancies with VAR nothing else stop being so ridiculously touchy and sensitive in respect of Liverpool this is not a Liverpool site and not everyone on here wants to look at or discuss football with purely Liverpool tinted glasses on.

Just for your information I am now so uneasy about discussing any Liverpool related issues because of the ridiculous way that you react that I no longer comment on Liverpool games or issues that’s how bad you’ve made things on here. Again!

Not one other Liverpool poster took any issue or offence with what I posted because there was nothing to take issue or offence with in respect of Liverpool and nor should there have been because I was posting in respect of VAR and nothing else.

I’m not going to have anymore of these silly discussions with you Nil either sort yourself out or one or other of us won’t be posting on here anymore because I’ve had enough of it.

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[maverick1973]

Just to add to the doom & gloom: did Salah deserve a red last night??

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