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[Mikus LFC]

As we’ve all recently discussed on another thread, we know money is only one of the ingredients you need for success. You also need the right CEO, the right manager, and the right head of recruitment. We also shouldn’t pretend that Man City’s success wasn’t still partly built on hard work and blood, sweat and tears when it very much was. The thing about Man City is it may well be the case that they didn’t actually need to spend the amount they did to achieve the success they did. You don’t need to bring in a world class player for every single position. When you look at the players offloaded from their academy like Sturridge, Trippier, Sancho – these players may have helped sustain the future of the club and even helped them to have won the CL by now because a lot of winning the CL to me is that you need players that are part of the fabric of your club to win it. And players like Foden may have developed even quicker than they have done had they had more opportunities earlier on. It is this wisdom of using such players we need to encourage all clubs to adopt.

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[nine nine nine]

Lucky, City signed up to adhere by the rules, according to the PL they’ve broken those rules over 100 times.

I would be amazed given the CAS investigation that preceded this and the outcome of that investigation where City only avoided punishment because the UEFA rules timed them out with the time out not existing within the PL rules if City don’t struggle to avoid punishment this time.

Di Marco is just predicting how long he thinks it might take to fully resolve this case which is up to 4 years which presumably would include an appeal process.

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[Editor]

I sense a bit of mischievousness in all this. The big question for me is why would City fail to cooperate if they indeed thought they were completely innocent as they keep protesting

‘The club welcomes the review of this matter by an independent commission, to impartially consider the comprehensive body of irrefutable evidence that exists in support of its position.’

Same club that spent years obstructing UEFA and Premier League requests for evidence… pic.twitter.com/rHM4fDV5tr

— Duncan Castles (@DuncanCastles) February 11, 2023

I think the lack of cooperation is all part of a ploy to get themselves highlighted and accused with the full knowledge that their legal case is watertight. Getting off with this is better than never being put in front of a panel and whispers and rumours continue to rumble on. In other words, I think they have wanted these charges all along as a means to be able to “clear their name”.

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[Luckydestiny]

Ed, providing they predicted all 100 plus charges and are sure they covered all bases maybe.

Like I said, whether it is city ownership or the Premier league itself, someone is going to get embarrassed.

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[threeps]

Paul, City were found guilty by Europe’s governing body. The case went to the CAS who throw out some of the charges due to a technicality, whilst others they indeed find nothing untoward. Which were time barred I don’t think was made public knowledge. City were not found innocent.

Still this time there’s no time limit, no CAS, maybe a different outcome? Maybe not, see if this 10k/hour lawyer is worth his money. Take 4 years? He for one is hoping!

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[Chucky McChuckface]

The idea that City have perfectly logical (and allowed) reasons behind all 110 plus charges and they’ve been sitting on them for 10 plus years so they can embarress the FA is, quite frankly, ridiculous… although I can’t bloody wait for the excuse behind the Mancini payments… comedy gold, that will be!!

In breaking news: Harry Kane has just signed a new 6 year contract with my Spuds for 2,000 pounds a week.

In completely unrelated news: England Captain Harry Kane has also signed a 6 year Board Membership worth 25,000,000 pounds a year with British Airways.

On signing the contracts, Harry said “I can’t wait to show up to one board meeting a year and drink a cup of coffee while continue playing for Spurs and Engerland!”

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[Adlab]

We may be guilty we may not.
But look where all the hyperbole is coming from in the main
Sorry chaps if you don’t believe it please check.
The Liverpool press. Understand that
Ex Liverpool players and so called pundits
The Irish press . I know why but rather not say on here but you don’t need to have an Oxford degree to work it out

To be fair virtually nothing from United, although I do wonder why.

Remember most news outlets are owned by very few eg Trinity

I am thoroughly sick of the assumptions…even on here.

Let’s pontificate about Chelsea, Spurs, United.
Why don’t we go back and ask questions about Louis Edwards. Ed might remember. Chelsea bankrolled for years by a Russian crook. Nobody looked back here. Where did Chelsea get the money to become a great team? Stolen from the Russian people. Let’s look back and take their achievements off them shall we?

Let’s ask where the Spurs owner, now a tax exile got his money. Mind you Spurs haven’t won anything. Have a look at currency trading by him in 1992. Making money from the demise of the UK in the ERM. Then a swift move to the Bahamas.

How’s your Bible…let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

Sick of it all

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[Luckydestiny]

Adlab, I can understand why you are sick of it but it’s not on us or the press mate it is what it is.

I ask you what I asked Paul, do you believe that the unprecedented growth of commercial revenue that took city above real and utd was legitimate? ie did the companies involved truly value the deals at this level and fund them themselves out of their own budgets, or, do you think they were actually artificially inflated and in fact funded by city owners with funds routed via these affiliated companies?

Now with all your experience can you tell me what it’s called when you misrepresent finances this way. I don’t know whether it’s money laundering, fraud or both but it’s obviously deliberately deceptive so whether you can argue it’s technically permissable is besides the point, city were bound to face backlash for deception at such a scale.

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[sean the sailor]

Adlab, please explain about the Irish press. Your a70 year old man and you are furious over this.

There is no agenda. It’s clear there is something going on. You and Paul, have just come out banging on about how the world is againest you. That’s a constant theme from you. There over 100 charges? I don’t really care but your reaction astounds me

No way do I want cities titles taken off them. Pepe interview was embarrassing. Defend the club but cringey especially if city are found guilty

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[Adlab]

Lucky. The answer is I don’t know. But City say they haven’t misrepresented information.
But why are the club assumed to be guilty by people and press who don’t really know. Just stored up by the media. It may all be true.
What I can’t stand is ex player drug cheats making comments, like will the players get paid.
Then the United daily mail suggests Pep’s comments about the nine teams and Levy might be liablous.
But for that you have to prove it was untrue. Those clubs signed a letter to UEFA.

I have examined the allegations again and actually most are just neither here nor there. Throwing enough mud hoping some will stick. Frankly it pales in comparison to Chelsea finance over the years. But I don’t see massive! London press attacks. Just on Abramovich himself. Why is that.

I shall sign off posting for a while as I don’t wish to fall out with cyber mates. You’ll see that in general my summation will probably be right.

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[nine nine nine]

Adlab, hitting out at everybody else doesn’t help anybody least of all you personally this is going to go on for a long time so you will need to keep calm over a long and difficult period.

City have to defend 100 plus charges that’s a tough ask particularly as they’ve already been found guilty of some of them by UEFA which were only timed out by CAS because UEFA had a time out rule which doesn’t exist in the PL rules.

Tbh if found guilty I don’t think City will be stripped of titles or they will be relegated both are far too messy I think it’s far more likely if found guilty there will be points deductions and transfer bans.

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[Adlab]

Sean.Irish press.
Look at Newsnow MCFC Top Stories and you will see the numerous articles in the Irish press.

I’m sure we both know why. I know from years of posting you like me may be bias but not naive.

Politely who do the Irish press support Celtic or Rangers. And that is because…..same Liverpool/United v currently City. And please don’t take offence,

Signing off for a while.

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[Luckydestiny]

“Lucky. The answer is I don’t know. But City say they haven’t misrepresented information.”

Adlab, Neither of us know 100%, but what is more likely in your estimation? You seem logical when it suits mate, apply it here, those deals are suspicious and add the leaked emails to it and it is certainly due of investigation.

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[nine nine nine]

No need to go missing Adlab just stay away from this debate.

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[Luckydestiny]

Yeah adlab, no one forcing you to have to defend this and you honestly don’t need to.

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[Chucky McChuckface]

What is there to defend? City made illegal payments to Mancini, they got caught, the arranged to have illeagal payments paid to fluff up their coffers, they got caught, you can “throw mud about” with regards to press, ManYooUtd, Celtic, Irish press, Joe Lewis and whether my Granny can skateboard, but that doesn’t change anything…

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[sean the sailor]

Wow adlab, sorry maybe you need to learn abit about the Irish press and Irish history before talking absolute bollix. Ridiculous and pathetic comments which I won’t even go o to.

Extremely poor from you.

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[Editor]

You do let yourself down at times Adlab. It’s always everyone else’s fault. Anything goes wrong for City, it’s either Utd or Liverpool’s fault from you. If it’s not them, it’s the London press or the Irish press. Were you not expecting this to be reported? It can’t come as a surprise to you that everyone is reporting it. Check out gjblues post on this thread. No bitterness, no snide comments about teams in red. You’re better than this Adlab.

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[Alfie_1]

What I find interesting in this one is that the PL have charged City knowing:
1. UEFA found them guilty on similar charges
2. They have added a non-cooperative charge (35 actually!)
3. CAS said many of UEFA charges were time barred
4. CAS found City guilty of non-cooperation
5. PL have no time barred rules
6. This cannot go to CAS

I think City are hoping there is the same level of guilt required as per at CAS, but the PL won’t have that. A lot of the non-proven charges at CAS were based on a high threshold. PL would know their own threshold. Be amazed if City are found not guilty of all charges. (Not withstanding innocent until proven otherwise).

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[Nike19]

Alfie, great to see you back on here; hope you’re back permanently.

There’s no witch-hunt as it may come across and naturally would expect supporters of the club concerned to be defensive (vehemently).

I know the industry in itself isn’t ‘squeeky clean’, but what’s unraveled whether fact or completely barked up the wrong tree, it is startling from faith and trust point of view. Mancini ‘payments on the side’ for example.

Football is one of the things you turn to and lean on more with everything that’s going on in our society and the world. There is corruption that’s unearthed for example in our Police Force; there’s corruption with MP’s and expenses; Tax fiddling or dodging; but this what was reported to me a whole new level in all my years of being a Football Supporter.

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