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Have a listen to Peps prematch interview
I’ve not long got home.A fellow Blue has sent me a link
Will listen whilst I eat my chinese 🙂
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Wow.
That press conference from Pep has completely undermined all the scheming from the slapped arses and their Premier League puppets over the past four years.
The premier league and their cronies have set themselves up as bastions of justice and all things fairness.
It has never been about that. It’s about eliminating the threat of a real competitor. Manchester City FC have not only demonstrated a clear and present threat on the status quo of the division, they’ve irrevocably broken it up.
These charges (smear campaign) have been leveled at MCFC not to maintain fairness and integrity but to unsettle Pep, the players and the fans in the hope they all bugger off.
All it’s done is galvanise everyone associated with MCFC and bolstered Pep’s resolved. So much so that he’s told them outright “I’m not going anywhere”.
That’s not the response those mard arse club’s and the Premier League wanted to hear.
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Martin Samuel’s take
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Until it all concludes then City are innocent until proven guilty and this whole thing could run for a very long time with legal appeals etc.
Spot on Nine.Seems like Chucky Lucky and Nike have already made their mind up we’re guilty
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Paul, I agree innocent until proven guilty but this victim complex from city is ridiculous, they say they welcome the chance to finally clear their name but have done nothing but obstruct and hinder investigation for years. I can’t believe this would still be ongoing if there wasn’t real evidence and I hope for you city fans that your confidence is well founded and proven justified.
Do you think city growing commercial revenue to above utd and real Madrid in space of a few years was legit? or do you believe the majority of that money came from city owners and routed via the sponsors, ie etihad? both logic and the leaked emails would suggest it is completely artificial.
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Innocent until proven guilty. Thing is City have already been found guilty, CAS overturned the punishment on a technicality. City were never proven innocent despite what Pep says.
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Paul, Manchester City have been charged. Not me personally who’s disclosed this this week in public and in official capacity.
God’s Honest Truth, if this was my own club, I would want them to see through the consequences. And we rid of the owners doing everything possible because as supporters, this is not what we stand for and affiliate ourselves with.
In smooth, I genuinely don’t care in supposed scope of any reclaim retrospectively of Titles. That’s altering history. It’s done. What I am interested in is Integrity Of The Sport. “Naming Rights” Inflated Sponsorship Deals…….
We tackle this, and this would restore credibility of the Premier League, because right now from what I see, 100 or so other clubs in their minds long gone have lost faith in the system.
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Innocent until proven guilty… that’s the thing isn’t it? But we’ve seen some of the evidence!
If only I hadn’t seen the illegal contract for illegal payments to Mancini for dodgy coaching contracts, or seen the emails whereby City officials were discussing how to cheat the system…
Okay, I’ll play along, pretend I didn’t see them or that I can’t actually read… oh, and Saint Pepe also siad they’re innocent, so that must be true too! I’m convinced!!
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Although as you all agree I am one of the most biased City supporters, I also have sufficient professional background dealing with obscure financial cases.
Firstly nobody has broken the law, given the information provided so far.
Secondly has anybody breached the rules. I don’t know. I haven’t seen the complete evidence nor have I interviewed anybody. In my professional life I dealt with many tax cases many of which, much to the authorities disappointment, ended up very different from where they started.
In almost every case it was due to the lack of complete evidence available to HMRC.
Like it or not, tax avoidance is perfectly legal. If a business uses the rules legally to gain advantages it may be morally wrong but not illegal.
It may be that City have circumvented the unfair FFP rules, maybe or maybe not seen as acceptable but in the context of FFP rules still legal. I don’t know.What I can tell you all is that in financial cases nothing is ever as it seems.
My concern here is that this just drags on and becomes more acrimonious. And you can rest assured other clubs will be exposed for this and that as one defence will be precedent.This will take YEARS unless a deal is done..which is, at this stage, given what any of us know, is the most likely. My guess is guilty on some of the minor allegations such as not fully cooperating or similar. I think that the EPL need this sorted and stop worrying about our inept government.
The good thing here is that this will be dealt with in private away from the tabloid rags Carragher, Jordan , the Irish press etc al.By the time this finishes we may not be here!!
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Chucky. The dodgy coaching contracts you refer to may be very dodgy indeed but perfectly legal.
If somebody wants to pay Boris Johnson £250k for one speech….who am I to say the price is wrong.
Discussing how to legally circumvent rules in an email? I spent years doing similar to legally assist businesses limit tax liabilities legally such as moving tax residency to Ireland etc.
This is the point I have made above.
Nothing is ever as it seems without full context. I suspect this will be City’s defence. And they may be right? Who knows_____________________________
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PS But not in emails!!!!
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Oh, I’m sure the contracts are “legal”… but are we talking legal as in the letter of the law or legal as in breaking rules of a game?? That’s two very different things…
Eitherway, legal or not, you think it’s accpetable for Mancini to be paid 1.35 million a year to coach City for an entire season which natrually shows up on City’s very cooked books, and 1.9 million to coach another City connected “club” for 4 days a year, which doesn’t show up on City’s books??
Maybe I’ve taken it out of context, maybe I’ve misunderstood, and you’re perfectly welcome to “justify” it, but bloody well looks like City were cheating the system to me…
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Chucky is right, this is about rule breaking not law breaking. Think you have misunderstood the situation Adlab.
The only possible law infringement would be a tax avoidance situation that might have occurred with Mancini getting supplemented wages. Is it? Will HMRC investigate? No idea although we’ve seen in Spain the tax authorities love to clamp down on multimillionaire footballers.
But that isn’t what the PL charges are focused on, its about cheating the rules of the game primarily.
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Adlab, why on earth would you believe city would cut a deal if innocent?
Further, it doesn’t matter whether we think FFP is fair or not..you cant just abide by the rules that suit you! You cant put two fingers up to rules you think are unfair AND expect all the other teams that comply with rules to sit back and do nothing, therefore you can’t play victim if they do investigate and charge, it’s the type of gaslighting abusers and psychopaths use!
What will happen will happen but and like I said, whether it is city or the prem league, someone is going to be properly embarrassed here, as long as it takes.
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And playing the “if it happens to us, it could happen to you” card is pretty pointless too… I want to see my team win, but I want them to win without cheating, I want the to win fairly and squarely, through sheer hard work, blood, sweat and tears if need be… and not because some dodgy as f**k fellas fancy a bit of a sportswashing campaign (that’s really backfired, didn’t it?)… and if any other team are caught breaking the rules to give themselves and advantage, I would want and expect exactly the same to happen to them.
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Prominent Sports Lawyer Nick Di Marco estimates the City case could take up to 4 years before reaching a conclusion.
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Innocent until proven guilty. Thing is City have already been found guilty, CAS overturned the punishment on a technicality. City were never proven innocent despite what Pep says.
Not true threeps
The award said the sponsorship agreements were “fair value” and there was no evidence City had tried to cover up any alleged violations or that they had actually gone through with some of the arrangements discussed in emails
They concluded that “UEFA’s theory on disguised equity funding remains unsubstantiated” adding the “theoretical possibility that this may have happened can certainly not be excluded but that is not the standard to be applied.”
City were eventually found guilty of failing to cooperate with the investigation by the semi-independent Club Financial Control Body.
City’s legal team had, CAS award, refused to cooperate because the evidence on which Uefa were proceeding was based entirely on hacked emails.
It said they “decided not to answer any questions on the authenticity of the criminally obtained documents or to produce any of the documents requested, suggesting that the request had not been made in good faith by the Chief Investigator.”
Uefa insisted they were relevant saying “Indeed they are at the core of this case.”
The panel found City should have cooperated with the investigation, and fined the Blues 10million euros.
That’s the only thing City were found guilty of
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“The panel found City should have cooperated with the investigation, and fined the Blues 10million euros.”
Surely not Paul, City welcome the opportunity to clear their name why on earth would they not fully cooperate?
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Nine, 4 years is a long time for this to he hanging over a club, surely if city know they are in right and can defend against all charges they will do all they can to ensure this is completed as soon as possible?
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