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Mav, there’s a hole in your logic there. Man city as an entity broke rules and tried to deceive. Just because certain lower level staff were innocent should mean that the entity shouldnt be punished?
Hitler’s tea-lady didnt harm a fly, so the nazis shouldnt have been punished.
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Be interesting to see if thereβs any immediate impact on the players and manager next week.
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Oh dear, Godwinβs Law…..Pagan
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It could galvanise Pep and the players or it could go the other way, they were all reportedly called in to meet Soriano this lunchtime.
It’s going to be interesting to see what the final outcome will be with CAS whether Pep will stay along with certain players.
Without City have got something up their sleeves that we don’t know about they are likely to be out of Europe for at least a season which will effect their transfer dealings in terms of who will come and who they can afford to buy.
No European football could help City in the PL as it did Leicester and Chelsea or it could hinder them the one key position they will need to solve is in Central Defence they could definitely get by for at least a season with the current squad if they solve that problem and they can keep the majority of the squad together.
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Mak, nothing with regards to this case is finalised until it’s gone through the Court of Arbitration in Sport.
CAS have the authority to uphold UEFA’s rulings, reduce them or even kick them out based on the evidence provided by both parties.
Until this case has gone through CAS nobody knows exactly what the actual outcome will be.
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No Nine, it has been finalised. They are asking for a review from an authority who watches over various sporting bodies.
UEFA are the body in charge of the CL and having COMPLETED their process, have deemed man city guilty.
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Whatβs basically happened here is that the new City board saw what Chelsea did under Abramovich and thought weβll follow that plan, sounds good to us, and even with FFP coming in, they still went full steam ahead because they never thought UEFA would ultimately punish them (or these hacked emails would ever come out) and they, in a sense, called UEFAβs bluff because theyβd argue they helped make money for UEFA and made the competition stronger. But UEFA havenβt bluffed. And now theyβre unsurprisingly peeved, big time.
Weβll go through the motions and all this will most probably lead to a compromise punishment of 1 year (that the initial 2 year punishment has basically invited anyway), and so the damage done will be more limited.
At the end of the day, this is all about money. And money talks.
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Mak, UEFA may have deemed City guilty but City have the right of Appeal to the Court of Arbitration in Sport.
CAS have the power to uphold UEFA’s rulings, reduce them or indeed kick them out based on the evidence that both parties will provide.
Until CAS have heard the case none of us know what the final outcome might be.
If the above wasn’t the case there would be no point in City appealing to CAS.
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Chaps.
Dont pre judge like that shit Carragher. No girls to spit atLets wait for the evidence. So far none has been provided except by a criminal facing 93 criminal charges and a Bayern mouthpiece.
So please chaps less of the vitriol.
If we are guilty. Fine.
Remember Cliff Richard. The press splashed nonsense
Remember the so called pedo ring , Leon Brittan Ted Heath etc. The press and police believing a demented idiot with no evidence.None of us have examined Ethiad accounts or City accounts unless some of you have.
By the way after the CAS there are further courts inc the ECJ. So please my friends dont pre judge.Nine has the right attitude. Wait for the evidence
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“Mak, UEFA may have deemed City guilty but City have the right of Appeal to the Court of Arbitration in Sport.”
but they have still been found guilty. If you had a murderer who was found guilty but had an appeal to make, you wouldn’t say he’s innocent until the appeal is sorted. This is why it’s called an appeal. They are appealing to have a guilty verdict overturned.
Innocent until overruled in appeal is not a saying.
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Some of Adlabs nonsensical post might actually be correct. If City fail with their appeal with CAS they can take it to the Swiss Federal Court and then on to the European Court of Human Rights. Whilst they are appealing the ban cannot take place and it could take a couple of years for the case to be looked at by the ECHR. With the damage this could cause UEFA, other teams looking to qualify for the Champions League and the tournament itself it wouldn’t surprise me if City and UEFA came to some sort of suspended sentence/bigger fine type agreement.
For City to exonerated I think it could be down to two things. Either the evidence is discredited, I’ve read City could claim the emails to be a joke or an exercise, or UEFA is deemed to be unsuitable due to a conflict of interests to pass judgement and sentence. Basically if City get off it will be on a technicality.
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I think we all understand since the FFP rules were introduced, every club and his dog have been “cooking the books” to a degree. City have been “caught” doing it. Now they’re going to try and argue a combination of “how we got caught” with “everybody else does it” to try and get away with it.
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“Wait for the evidence”
Adlab, and I say this as respectively as I can, but I do not think you understand the situation. You asked me earlier where the evidence is and now you say we should wait for it. The evidence is the emails. These are not just some emails that someone has pitched up at a newspaper trying to make a bit of cash. This evidence has already been studied, already deemed by the governing body to be worthy to punish City. There’s no more evidence to wait for because as Mak has tried to explain City are already guilty. City are trying to get out of it on a technicality.
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“The court determining an appeal will correct errors by the trial judge and the right of appeal ensures that, as far as possible, courts arrive at correct decisions. … It is vital the right exists as it ensures that if a judge does make an error of law or fact the means exist to correct it.”
In the City case there was no Judge UEFA were the Prosecution Judge and Jury the decisions UEFA came to re City might well be the right decisions but putting it all before an impartial Court in CAS will rightly determine that.
Both sides will put all their evidence forward and for the first time an impartial body will judge that evidence which seems a pretty just way to do it to me especially given the severity of the accusations and sentence passed down by UEFA which is so far reaching.
There may even be new evidence provided by both parties we don’t know.
Nothing else will happen with this now until City have officially made their appeal and CAS have sat and judged all of the evidence from both parties.
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And if Cassie upholds UEFA’s decision, who are City going to whine too next? π
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threes – I think we have to be a bit careful before deciding the rights and wrongs of this case on what we’ve read about so far. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that either side of an argument can swear black is white rather than accept the possibility ( or indeed the reality) it may be wrong. This applies to both sides of the current dispute.
A recent example of this involves Royal Mail accusing its postmasters of dipping their hands in the till ( quite literally in some cases) following the introduction of a new IT accounting system for its network of branches. Some may be aware of this case but, in outline, a large number of post masters were reporting differences between their own cash reconciliations and what the system was showing. In brief, this implied that the local Postmasters were responsible for the cash shortfall whilst the accused pointed to the failings of the IT system. I haven’t got time to describe how those failures happened. Royal Mail eventually appointed forensic accountants to investiage who did indeed conclude that the IT system was to blame. Nevertheless, Royal Mail rubbished the findings, terminated the independent investigators and its management continued to insist that the postmasters were guilty. Eventually it went to court. Royal Mail was deemed to be in the wrong, has accepted it was wrong and has started to compensate those that it wronged.
I’m not drawing exact parallels between this case and UEFA and City but I mention it to demonstrate that the management of organisations can enter into a collective sense of denial that they might be wrong ( for quite obvious reasons) and this can lead to injustice if not corrected. Again, my comments apply to both sides of the UEFA/City case._____________________________
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That’s a very good question Chucky my understanding was that in going to CAS both sides agreed to accept CAS’s decision.
Personally whatever that decision is I think both sides should accept it and that it would be wholly wrong if CAS hold up UEFA’s sentence on City for City to try and drag it out through other legal means. But they might well and this could run and run.
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Surrey, you are describing a situation where there is blame only based on suspicion rather than evidence. When evidence is actually sought it was dismissed and they went along based solely on their original suspicion. Right? Don’t think it’s the same. UEFA’s action is based on evidence, not suspicion. Well they probably did suspect it I think the entire footballing world did apart from a blue section of Manchester! As I posted earlier City can either discredit the evidence or hope UEFA is deemed not-appropriate to be judge and executioner.
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Very amusing…
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This is just a bit of fun so hopefully no City fan finds it offensive. It was made by someone on the Utd forum Redcafe and all the quotes are ones actually written by City fans on Bluemoon forum.
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