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  • #70094
    sean the sailor
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      Ah I know giblues, UEFA are as corrupt as they come mate.

      I just donโ€™t think they are trying to stitch city up.

      This is all of cities making if true

      If city are innocent then it will all come out

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      #70097
      Pagan
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        Have Man City broken the rules? probably

        Was the evidence obtained legally? Probably not

        Will that make a difference? Possibly

        What I will say though is the way UEFA have handled the case is very similar to the Blackadder episode featuring โ€œSpeckled Jimโ€ and the โ€œFlanders Pigeon Murdererโ€

        ……Pagan

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        #70098
        nine nine nine
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          Pagan, “Speckled Jimโ€ and the โ€œFlanders Pigeon Murdererโ€ Ha, ha brilliant stuff buddie.?

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          #70099
          Chucky McChuckface
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            Bad analogy gents, maybe I’m wrong and my memory is going, but pretty sure Blackadder was actually 100% completely and utterly guilty of all charges… ๐Ÿ™‚

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            #70100
            gjblues
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              Sean and Mak, we’ll just have to agree to disagree on this conspiracy thing lads. I still think there’s something in it (and no I don’t believe in Father Christmas) but obviously can’t prove anything, all circumstantial at this point.
              We’re not going to fall out over it – any additional stuff may come out in the next wash (CAS), so to speak.

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              #70101
              Pagan
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                Chuckles the analogy was UEFA and Melchiot, not Blackadder and Man City, however depending on the CAS outcome both may be good…..Pagan

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                #70103
                Chucky McChuckface
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                  That’s the thing, Peggy, if City are as guilty as “The Flanders Pigeon Murderer”, then does it really matter if Colonel Melchoit found them guilty?? Even if he was a bit of an Arsenal while doing it? I mean, it sounds like if Rumpole or that sexy one from L.A. Law found them guilty, then nobody would be sulking… ๐Ÿ™‚

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                  #70104
                  Anonymous

                    Ok gjblues but if the CAS appeal fails, will they be in on it, leaving you looking for a higher authority, or will you accept their decision? Say it now before they make up their minds.

                    I get the feeling that City fans would have respected UEFA had they come out backing City, saying that absolutely nothing wrong had been done.

                    I was quite sympathetic last night about this but after seeing the reaction, that’s melted away. 13/14 is a distant memory to me now but at the time, if it had come to light that City had cheated their way to the title, I’d have demanded justice and that the PL be awarded to us. Here we are now and it has come to light, City are being punished by UEFA currently and it’s the City fans crying foul and calling “conspiracy!“.

                    Just an absolutely shameful response to being found guilty, not being accused. GUILTY. You may yet get off like O.J. but he’s not innocent either.

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                    #70107
                    Pagan
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                      Thatโ€™s the thing though Chuckles, itโ€™s not necessarily if your guilty or not thatโ€™s important, itโ€™s was the correct process followed, the law as they say is an ass….Pagan

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                      #70122
                      Chucky McChuckface
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                        Not going to disagree with you on that comment, Peggy,… but if your best defense on “being” found guilty is on “how” you were found guilty, rather than taking the very logical route of proving your innocence, then I reckon you’ve got some serious problems!

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                        #70132
                        gjblues
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                          Ok Mak, apologies for not making this absolutely clear but I’m NOT connecting the conspiracy thing with or as an excuse for breaking a UEFA rule – I feel the two are separate issues.
                          I’ve already stated/accepted that we’ve been found guilty of breaking the rule and punished accordingly. UEFA have acted as rule maker, judge, jury and executioner and therefore, as a result, City now have the right to appeal. Having supported MY club through thick, thin and even thinner for around 50 years, I would want them to take the appeal as far as possible but (again, as I’ve previously stated) not on the grounds of a technicality (hacked emails), only if they have hard evidence that the rule was not broken.

                          I still think there is something in the conspiracy theory – you only have to look at some of the diabolical (pre-VAR) decisions that have gone against us in CL games – three of them in the tie against you guys a couple of years ago. (not going to comment any further on this))

                          I also have an issue with UEFAs stated reasons as to why the rule was introduced in the first place. I’m not going over that again but it’s detailed in one of my previous posts on this tread.

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                          #70139
                          Pagan
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                            Chuckles, but if that were the case no one would need lawyers??……Pagan

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                            #70141
                            nine nine nine
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                              To be fair until we get to CAS none of us know whether City’s only defence will be of how they were found guilty. Everything in respect of this case and City’s defence rests on what is presented to CAS by both sides and CAS’s evaluation of the evidence from both parties.

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                              #70142
                              Chucky McChuckface
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                                Peggy… it’s the old age questions, which came first? The lawyer or the lawsuit??

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                                #70179
                                maverick1973
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                                  Sweddy Eddy & gjblues-Sorry fellas,I meant that comment tongue in cheek[albeit not funny, I know],but Iam against City as an institution being punished.I was against Liverpool being punished as a collective after the Heysel tragedy.Back then Liverpool players took no part in causing the tragedy,and neither have City players & the manager done anything wrong,it was a few people @ the top & the lawyers.

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                                  #70222
                                  Chucky McChuckface
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                                    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/feb/15/manchester-city-disrespect-uefa-misinformation-sweeping-allegations

                                    Another informative piece about this… City better win it this year I reckon!

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                                    #70227
                                    Pagan
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                                      Chuckles, obviously it was the lawyer, other wise how would they know what size to make the suit…..Pagan

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                                      #70246
                                      whoisbeni
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                                        The conspiracy argument is amusing

                                        I canโ€™t see city or their owners convincing anybody that there are others who are even more corrupt

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                                        #70265
                                        Anonymous

                                          Gjblues, we had plenty of calls go against us in the last seasons too and I’ll tell you, we didn’t need help agsinst you in the CL. No offense but this conspiracy stuff is nonsense.

                                          You’ve be rational in your post before that point. If I were you I’d get back on that track. Conspiracies are not for thinking types, generally.

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                                          #70269
                                          Anonymous

                                            Nine, you’re talking as if nothing has been decided until CAS take a look. That’s how pretty much all your posts on this read. Well, it has been decided. They’ve been found to be in breach of the rules, by the authorities that made them.

                                            Do you not acknowledge he authority of UEFA?

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