City Banned

[nine nine nine]

threeps, if you read all my posts on this they are hardly passive.

Given what we know which is in the public domain it does look to me like City are guilty too and that they are likely to get a ban but I don’t have the benefit of seeing all of the evidence from both sides and because of that I’m not prepared to pass judgement on them.

I prefer to think of that as being fair minded rather than passive in waiting for CAS to judge the case and pronounce the outcome especially as it’s the first time anyone will look at all of the evidence impartially and come to a conclusion.

I’m not trying to stop anybody debating it as my post above confirms “Speculate all you like lads but it’s all empty words until CAS hear the case and decide what the final outcome will be based on the evidence put forward by both sides.”

If anyone on here has addded anything meaningful to what we all know following the UEFA announcement I haven’t seen it.

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[Chucky McChuckface]

You’re more neutral than Switzerland, my furry cyber chum! 🙂

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[nine nine nine]

Switzerland is probably very appropriate Chucky given that’s where the hearing will be.?

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[maverick1973]

Allowed or not??

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[threeps]

“If anyone on here has addded anything meaningful to what we all know following the UEFA announcement I haven’t seen it.”

Sorry I find that ironic as I think a few of us have actually made good points, be it regarding the legal system, possible punishments, reports of further investigations or the ideas that it’s a big conspiracy. The only ones not adding anything meaningful are the ones say lets just wait and see what happens at CAS.

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[steveosnakeeye]

you lose ONE game of football and see what happens 😉

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[nine nine nine]

Still all speculation threeps but you carry on if that’s what you want to do. I’ve made my position clear I think City are probably guilty and in line for a ban but I’m not going to rush to judgement on them until CAS has heard all the evidence from both sides and made their judgement.

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[Adlab]

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[Adlab]

Lots of quotes from City today.
As I said dont pre judge lets see

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[Adlab]

Manchester City’s exclusion from the Champions League has been dramatically lifted today after it has emerged that their owner Sheikh Mansour has bought UEFA in a cash-only deal.

The purchase was confirmed this afternoon, in a move that has surprised absolutely no-one who understands UEFA’s relationship with money.

In a statement issued shortly after the sale, it was confirmed that Manchester City would now be back in the Champions League competition next year, despite the previous two-year ban.

“We can confirm that we have reviewed our decision to expel Manchester City from the Champions League and now realise that this was unfair and a bit mean,” a spokesman for the newly named ‘Etihad UEFA’ confirmed.

“We must have got our sums wrong somewhere in the original investigation, but everything seems to add up now and we can only apologise to Manchester City and their fans.”

“Manchester City will definitely be in the competition next year, and every year,” they added.

A delighted Manchester City welcomed the news with the following statement from the club.

They wrote, “We are happy that Etihad UEFA has come to its senses and made this decision. This proves what a fair and reasonable organisation they are and we look forward to the draw for next years competition, which we hope will be favourable to us.”

Fans have reacted with delight, with one season ticket holder telling us, “We could have wasted millions appealing the ban in the courts, so I’m glad we’ve just thrown money at the problem. It’s the Man City way.”

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[Adlab]

From News Thump. Always good for a bit of satire!

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[nine nine nine]

Lol Adlab.?

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[Adlab]

For Threeps, Sean et al. From City CEO. You dont have to believe a word but consider..UEFA
relied on out of context stolen emails rather than all the other evidence we provided of what actually happened and I think it is normal that we feel like we feel. Ultimately based on our experience and our perception this seems to be less about justice and more about politics.

Is he telling the truth? If not we will be banned. If he is…then what. Lads on here would apologise in good grace but where will it lead.

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[threeps]

Genuine question Adlab, not trying to take the Mick or anything, but how exactly is it less about justice and more about politics? What politics exactly? Also, yes the emails were “stolen”, but they still exist and were (so-far) undeniably written by City senior hierarchy and point a very strong finger at City doing some very shady business with the figures.

It’s like catching someone on CCTV commiting a murder and then arguing they are innocent of that crime because there were no signs warning of CCTV and therefore was filmed “illegally”. Not sure about you but in my eyes he/she is still a murderer.

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[sean the sailor]

You won’t get a straight answer from adlab, threeps mate

Pointless having a discussion with him

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[Pagan]

Threeps, and this is a little tongue in cheek, regarding the emails, could UEFA be charged with handling stolen property?…..Pagan

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[threeps]

As far as I know emails are not actual property and therefore cannot be stolen or deemed as stolen goods. The crime is with the hacker. Maybe there would be a law somewhere within fraud if UEFA paid the hacker to do it.

The hacker is already in jail I think? About time whistleblowers were protected in my opinion if they expose illegal or corrupt things.

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[Pagan]

Threeps, they may be deemed as intellectual property, I’m not sure. The crime is with the thief, not sure on that either, as receiving stolen goods is also a crime.

To be honest it’s not important, the idea was only put out there as another straw for the odd Man City fan clutch to….Pagan

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[nine nine nine]

According to the report on the BBC site “Cas said the leaks were “worrisome”. But to make this argument stick the club would surely need solid evidence? City could demand access to private emails and communications, so expect a separate legal battle over disclosure when the case is heard.” ?

This case is quite complex and will take a lot of unravelling.

Even if the above worked out for City it would take a lot more for City to be able to clear their name.

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[Chucky McChuckface]

Now we’re really speculating… 🙂

On one hand, the e-mails were hacked, (and they do look pretty damning!), and handed over to the authorities. Now, I’m pretty sure, there is some sort of “law” which doesn’t mean information garnered by “Joe Public” which provides info on another crime is deemed illegal purely on the nature of how it was recovered. So, the e-mails are unlikely to be rejected as evidence of further crimes… if we were talking about actual law.

But we’re not.

We’re basically talking about a private organization breaking the rules of the club it belongs too, not shall we say, the law of the land. And I have no idea how this fits in with the law of the land.

One hand suggest if they have broken the rules of the club they belong too, then the “club” has every right to kick them out. Sounds very reasonable to me.

But on the other hand, if City are going to start using the law of the land and claim “illegal” searches and stuff, then the law of the land comes into play, and I’m pretty crimes leading to further crimes are protected by the law of the land and admissible in court.

Tell you one thing though, having read the mails, any excuse along the lines of them being misunderstood and taken out of context, is about as watertight as Buffy’s mankini… 🙂

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