City ban overturned

[steveosnakeeye]

All stuff and nonsense ?

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[nine nine nine]

Surrey Blue , “substantively false accusations” ?

If the e mails didn’t exist you might have a point.

Look I like City and I have a lot of respect for all the City posters on here but the theme above also confirmed by City fans on Sky Sports News that City are the injured party here were innocent and have been exonerated doesn’t hold water because of the e mails.

The only reason City got off the more serious charges was because UEFA foolishly missed their own 5 year ruling and you’ll not convince too many that aren’t City fans that City are innocent.

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[Adlab]

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Perhaps we can resume when we see the detailed judgemenr

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[nine nine nine]

“Many of the alleged breaches were time barred due to five year period in UEFA regulations” UEFA.

Doh!?

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[threeps]

Surrey Blue, the emails were conclusive evidence of wrongdoing hence why they were found guilty by UEFA. The only reason why City have escaped a ban is because of a technicality, that the evidence is basically out of date. I think a number of us said months ago that if they were going to get away with it then their lawyers would find some sort of loophole that would mean the evidence was inadmissible and that is what happened. City have never been able to come out and say that they haven’t financially doped because the evidence is there.

Mikus I said just after the verdict from CAS that this will have huge ramifications on UEFA. It will take a while before the dust settles but this has proven that FFP is not worth the paper it’s written on or is any threat to adhere to it from UEFA. I don’t want to sound over dramatic but this could hasten a move away from UEFA by the G14 teams. This could be a major step towards the Superleague we all dread.

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[Chucky McChuckface]

If Cliff Rochard had sent e-mails detailing how exactly he was going to do what it was he was alledged to have done which then reached the public domain, and then got away with it on a technicality, then I reckon there would have been a lynch-mob outside his gaff…

We’ll have to agree to disagree, cyber chums, but having read the e-mails myself, I have no doubt whatsoever that Man Cheaty (blame Special K for that one! 🙂 ), have basically got away with it.

And that’s all she wrote…

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[nine nine nine]

threeps, whilst I hear what you say I’m aghast that UEFA didn’t realise that the charges against City fell outside their own 5 year ruling.

That’s where the main problem actually existed re the charges against City rather than FFP as a whole and if you track City’s net spend over the last couple of seasons you can see they have been much more prudent in their spending than they were and have been trying to operate within FFP.

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[Adlab]

The one thing we will agree on is that FFP in its current form doesnt work.

I think FFP in proper form is right but to exclude debt makes a nonsense of its aims but that would affect Real, Barca and Utd.

That was the original aim when it was introduced by that paragon Platini.

I cannot understand why debt to equity is not used as one of the measures.

Perhaps this case will make UEFA wake up. Clubs should not buy players by increasing debt beyond certain levels. In such cases further equity investment or other investment should be required.-

No chance though eh based on the construction of UEFA!

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[Editor]

Adlab, diverting this thread away into a “well Utd are the bad guys really” is really damaging your credibility and is a classic case of whataboutery that simply tries to deflect from your club’s alleged wrongdoings. I’m sure many would prefer that the fit and proper persons test for owners prevented people like the City owners coming into the game with their state financed buyout from a country with such an appalling human rights record. But, like your debt point, that’s not what we’re discussing here is it?

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[nine nine nine]

I’m not sure that this is the end of FFP and I think it would be a problem if it was the case against City only failed because UEFA foolishly failed to recognise their own 5 year time period rule.

City’s spending over the last couple of season has clearly been constrained by FFP £83m net over the combined two seasons so from that viewpoint it is working.

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[threeps]

Nine fully agree with you I cannot believe uefa messed up so much with this 5 year thing. Someone has made a career ending mistake.

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[Brian blue]

UEFA made the rules with a shaky foundation and now they have died by them. It reminds me of Bannier and the EEC who had all the “aces” over us and now struggles to come to terms he has to negotiate with an independent country and under pressure from EEC industry to do a deal. UEFA in the same position, they thought they had the armour with Der Spiegel but we all know how the media get there information. They, themselves have also been guilty in the past. Whatever anyone thinks and there are many who just wanted City to fail, we will never know what all the implications are, so we pass opinions on our own likes/dislikes which is not healthy. Fans do not need this. The order in football will change, like it or not and other investors will appear, some will be successful, many will not but the order will change and I suspect that this fact is what many do not like, more than the case itself

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[Brian blue]

threes..UEFA made a mess of it because they are incompetent and should have been re structured years ago. I thought they were lucky to get anything out of it but they have to pay there legal team!!!! City need to be aware now, the sore will fester with UEFA for a time now and expect fines for trivialities….I know that sounds pathetic but that is what you have in UEFA. a pathetic lot

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[Brian blue]

Ed…this is not a good time to calling another country for human rights. Nobody, on this earth has a clean sheet

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[Brian blue]

chuky….add to you last line…..with just cause.

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[Brian blue]

Threeps…I have stated many times , this is where we are heading. Super global leagues, not enough money in domestic competitions anymore. UEFA have not re acted to change when they had a chance now they are a worthless entity. Just watch some of those UEFA Execuives scamble for jobs now. The clubs and TV will do there own thing, I am not saying it will be liked, I, for one, will not like it and probably change sport then because I have no interest in City v New York or whoever

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[Surrey Blue]

3×9 and threeps – you’ve made my main point for me. UEFA didn’t do their job properly and could have saved a lot of time and money by not trying to produced its assertions and have them rubbished by a very small number of clever lawyers.

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[Chucky McChuckface]

Double B, sorry cyber chum, you lost me!! Add me what to me what??

As for the rest, you, me and my pet tortoise Alan, will be joining you in whatever else we can find to waste our time… my only hope about the inevitable Super League nonsense is that it sticks to mid-week games and doesn’t bugger up the weekends… the league is every club’s bread and butter!

But we all know money does the talking these days.

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[Brian blue]

Chuky you mention. “City got away with it”. I would add….with just cause

Would anyone in business like incompetents going through there books? City did have just cause to challenge them, I am sure other clubs would have done so as well

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[Editor]

Brian, I wasn’t having a go at City re the human rights comment. I was merely showing why whataboutery is pointless. Deflecting the thread onto other clubs is silly.

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