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Nine i think you will find if you look back it was your good self that put values on Hazard and Coutious first! Then when I questioned them you said it was pointless putting values on them as they are only worth what a club will pay. Lol. Anyway moving on I agree entirely with the last point. And if Real pay 300m for Hazard and Coutios then that’s a great deal for Chelsea. I would be very surprised that’s all. Then again who would have thought Dick was worth £75m but he is! Same goes for Sanchez!
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Jim, I was speaking in the broad sense during our debate as to why Chelsea might be big spenders this Summer but to compete with City Chelsea have to be big spenders without selling their best players to fund transfers as per how City do.
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Lots of coulda, woulda, shoulda’s….
Let’s face it, neither team really coaches, just buy, buy, buy… I reckon we should just auction of the bloody thing and have done with it. Save the rest of us the hassles!
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Really Chucky, I think if you look at the words of many players including Henry last week they have said the Pep made them better players. Sane and sterling both said similar. You can spend big money and still not be any better than the oposition arround you, there are plenty of examples of that in the current PL. Jim
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spot on jim. just because you spend doesn’t guarantee success. chelsea have spent a fuck load of money, but have spent it badly. city have spent a fuck load of money but spent it well.
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just because city spent more than chelsea only means city have an advantage in 2 games per season. chelsea should still be wiping the floor with everyone else given what they’ve spent.
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I believe this whole debate about spending well is consistency in players. Chelsea last season were the flavor of the season. People were talking about how David Luiz returned as a improved player, how Alonso was a brilliant wing back and a snip at 20m+, how Kante was missing piece in the jigsaw etc. Last season, Stones was a flop, Sterling is not consistent enough, Sane was not ready and inconsistent, Fernandinho was past his best and overrated, along with Peps forgotten signings in Bravo and Nolito.
What Pep did during the back end of last season was try various different systems in order to see what brings out the best for his players, similar to Conte when he changed the system midway during the Arsenal game. Out of the 2 Pep always had the better squad, it just took him a while to adjust.
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The main issue with Chelsea is they have developed a culture at the club where the manager has little say in transfers. Pep gave a list of players to the board and they got him the players he wanted. Conte gave a list, they opted to ignore the list and opt for alternatives. If they went for his 1st choice players, then I am sure we will be witnessing a different Chelsea side this season. Conte said it himself, rather than buy a bulk of various different players, he wanted 3 or 4 quality players, but the board chose to ignore that.
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Big J…. you may have taken my words too literally. I’m sure Pepe has improved many players, he has to at that level of football.
On a slightly more sarcastic note, I did notice those players who say “Pepe has improved us” aren’t the players he’s bought replacements for….yet! 🙂
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Just to remind you all Chelsea are the most successful team in the country over the last 14 or so seasons and are the current Champions there are a lot of reasons for Chelsea faltering this season but it happens as CM says City had the best squad last season and spent more than anyone else and won duck all and even City fans were questioning Pep and whether he was the right appointment.
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I am guessing Conte knew the set up he was getting into a Chelsea before he joined them. You can’t argue that the system doesn’t work. New manager every few years brings trophies.
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I cannot see Chelsea selling them both in the same year,I would be astounded if that were to happen.
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Paxton, who City buy if other teams can’t match them gives City an advantage over the whole season. It’s not just Chelsea who have a problem keeping up with City everyone bar United does.
Your team went close to winning their first title since 1961 in the past two seasons but you’re 20 points behind City this season and it will be very difficult nigh on impossible for Spurs to bridge that gap over the next few seasons given the strength of the City squad the quality of their Manager and the vast amount of money City can throw at transfers. Same applies to the rest of the top 6 bar perhaps United.
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cm@11:20am spot on post mate.
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City are also known for that too. Rumor has it that the ex Barcelona lot at your club were in talks with Pep in regards to approval of signings during Pellegrini final few years at the club. Bayern wanted De Bruyne and were prepared to pay big for him, all of sudden he choose’s City, who was managing Bayern at the time? Football can be a bit cynical at times.
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cm-Bayern were indeed interested in signing both KDB and Sane,but were not going to pay anything close to what Wolfsburg and Schalke 04 respectively were asking for.Needless to say,they MUST regret both decisions now,but surely not as much as Jose letting KDB and Salah leave on the cheap,lol.
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Did Jose let Salah go? He left Chelsea after Jose left. The way he played for Chelsea, no one ever thought he would return the player he is. These things happen in football. Bayern let Hummels go and later on decided to resign him. De Bruyne was not ready for the 1st team at the time, rather than knuckle down and prove the manager, he kicked up a fuss and the club decided to loan him out.
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Paxton… We did spend a lot… we did also not spend outside of our means and sold players along the way. Oscar, Ramieres and Costa. Im also not buying into this Conte claptrap he didnt want some of the signings. Drinkwater was on his radar for two seasons, He used Morata at Juve, Bakayoko was a club and manager target as was Rudiger, the transfer in Contes first season was scrapped due to a knee injury…. Zappacosta isnt a Conte Signing? Alonso isnt a conte signing? The false 9 has never worked at Chelsea and is nothing more than trying to placate Hazard who should be gotten rid of. He unbalances the side and we score more when he’s not hogging the ball. He’s not a team player, he plays for team hazard. I’d snap Reals hand off at 160 million. We play better when he’s not in the side and we had two strikers sitting on a bench on the weekend costing 100 million… That is no one’s responsibility but Contes. Both he and the club got it wrong but Conte blames the players and the club.
Look… Chelsea do transfers differently, a bit like spurs I imagine, Conte knew exactly what he was getting into when he signed but thought he could bully the board into getting what he wanted. Bonnuci, Sandro among others were strong rumours but the club said no to dropping 100+ million on two players unproven in the EPl and at the wrong ends of their careers for a sell on value. We were said to be tracking Bellotti but he’s had a pants season… I just dont think Conte has great judgement, tactically he’s pretty dull and defensive.. Sorry, I still think he luckily reverted and fell into last seasons Championship win. We scraped over the finish line last season.
The manager will be told about players the club can realistically sign… We cant compete with city or United, PSG or Real and Barca. That’s always been the way and we simply have to accept that as Chelsea fans. It’ been immense and given the outlay from manchester, will probably be in their shadows for a number of seasons until the new side grows old.
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CM City are known for what too? Jim?
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