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  • #16127
    Chelsea.man
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      Moses dived? May not the same league as Alli.?

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      #16129
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        I wasn’t able to watch the game but I hear Chelsea should have won. The away goal hurts but if you outplayed them once, you can do it again. Please don’t drop to the default thing you usually hear when this situation comes up, “we’ll never beat them at the Camp Nou”. You’ll be playing the same team, just on different grass. The focus has to be getting that away goal yourselves and after that, you’re in control.

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        #16139
        reds2riches
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          @makaveli, chelsea had 30% of the ball; decent chances..but they did NOT outplay barca.

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          #16141
          Anonymous

            i think its more a case of chelsea could’ve won, not should’ve. they came very close a couple of times with willian hitting the post but they were from shots from outside the area. chelsea didnt really create any clear opportunities. i think they played very well and a draw is a decent result for them.

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            #16143
            nine nine nine
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              Barca had the much greater possession but Chelsea the much greater chances.

              Only a stray pass cost Chelsea a victory which had had those chances gone insteadย  ย of hittingย  the post twice. Chelsea could have been going to the Camp Nou 2 or 3 goals up.

              Games are decided by chances made and Goals scored Chelsea created far more chances than Barca unfortunately the post denied them twice.

              Shame it ended as it did Chelsea deserved more imo and it makes the return leg much tougher but that’s what playing the top top teams in the CL is all about.

              Repeat our last result in the Camp Nou that time with 10 men and we’re through.?

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              #16145
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                “Games are decided by chances made and Goals scored Chelsea created far more chances than Barca unfortunately the post denied them twice.”

                Partly correct. Games are decided by goals scored, not chances made. As i said above the ‘chances made’ last night were from taking shots outside the area. if you look at the sky sports score centre match stas (i know other sources will vary) chelsea actually created 0 clear cut chances. barcelona made 1.

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                #16148
                Chelsea.man
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                  I can’t also remeber any clear cut chances that Barca has created other than the one they scored and which was as a result of our own mistake. Big teams will punish you if you make a mistake simple. It was a very tight game. But ita good that those who were rushing to predict a heavy defeat for us. Now say we played well. Although we never had a chance !

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                  #16150
                  nine nine nine
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                    Paxton if hitting the post (twice)is not a clear cut chance I don’t know what is!

                    Do we not count goals that come from shots outside the box now.?

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                    #16154
                    Anonymous

                      Irrespective of what team Barca plays they will always have the far bigger share of possession. Part of their DNA.

                       

                       

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                      #16155
                      Pagan
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                        Games are decided by goals, that is true, but, ย no player has a 100% conversion rate, so the more opportunities you create the greater the likelihood of scoring is. Looking at stats for matches quite often the team with the least possession has had more shots.

                        For me, I quite like the fact that Chelsea are creating opportunities to shoot from further out, when teams are well organised at the back the itโ€™s more difficult to manufacture opportunities closer in, and for me thatโ€™s one of the problems Chelsea have had this season…..Pagan

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                        #16157
                        Anonymous

                          Shots from long range won’t count as a chance as many are speculative. It’s not a literal translation.

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                          #16158
                          Pagan
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                            Alfie, so at what distance does a shot become speculative?….Pagan

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                            #16161
                            Anonymous

                              The days of “possession == better team” are long gone. Everyone here knows that Barca are the ultimate possession team too, so I take very little from hearing that Barca managed 70% of the ball. It is about the chances created, for me.ย  If Chelsea hit the post 2 times, that’s huge and could have been the match and maybe even the tie.

                              In a way it’s a good thing that Chelsea are going to Barca knowing that they have to score and not the mentality that they need to hold a small lead. There will be no confusion, you must get at them from the first minute. One goal is all you need to be ahead and if you manage that, you get in their players heads a little . They have some super champions who’ve seen it all before but you only need 1-2 players to lose their nerve for things to go bad.

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                              #16162
                              Anonymous

                                It’s not an exact science, Pagan. Clear cut chances will be defined by the companies which do the stats.

                                Opta have this – “CLEAR-CUT CHANCE OR BIG CHANCE
                                [quote]A situation where a player should reasonably be expected to score usually in a one-on-one scenario or from very close range.”

                                Therefore only those who REASONABLY EXPECTED Willan to score from that distance would count it as a clear cut chance. Given the ratio of long range shots to long range goals you should be able to understand why those who complete the stats for Sky sports did not count it as a clear cut chance.

                                Really not sure why Chelsea fans are so defensive about this. You got outplayed, had a couple of breakaway attacks, scored a long range shot and ended up with a draw which keeps the away league interesting.

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                                #16163
                                nine nine nine
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                                  Pagan, far easier to agree that the two shots that thuded against both posts and the goal Willian scored weren’t chances mate. Although how anyone comes up with a view that a lovely goal scored from outside the boxย  by Willian wasn’t a chance baffles me.

                                  But if Opta and Alfie say despite the goal it wasn’t a chanceย  that’s pretty conclusive.?

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                                  #16164
                                  nine nine nine
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                                    Maka, good post mate .

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                                    #16167
                                    Anonymous

                                      They even wrote CLEAR CUT CHANCE is capitals in the hope that people might be able to understand it easier.

                                      Maybe they should have added something else.

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                                      #16168
                                      maverick1973
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                                        Bottom line is,this game is still very much 50%-50%.!

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                                        #16169
                                        maverick1973
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                                          CHM-Come on mate,this game is very much still on,don`t listen to anybody.

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                                          #16170
                                          Pagan
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                                            So Opta are saying thereโ€™s an element of luck in goals, hence they use the word chance, I donโ€™t use that word, preferring to use the word opportunity. For Willan to be able to hit three shots with what can only be described as a high degree of accuracy and repeatability would suggest a great deal of skill.
                                            Or you could say that Beckham was a very lucky player when it came to free kicks rather than a highly skilled one…..Pagan

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