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This is a big, big gamble putting someone that has never managed before in charge of a club the size of Arsenal.
“It’s all well and good saying he’s worked under Pep Guardiola, but let’s be honest, Guardiola would struggle managing this Arsenal team. Guardiola and Jurgen Klopp would struggle!
“You’re only as good as your players at the end of the day and the idea of Arteta replicating Guardiola’s style of football at the Emirates just falls apart when you look at the players he’ll be working with.” Paul Merson.
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Someone on Arsenal Fan TV – I want the proper one (Pep), I don’t want Arteta, not the one that puts the cones out…??
Seriously though, can only assume Arteta is highly thought of??
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Looks like Everton have got Ancelotti big coup for them
Arsenal missed a trick here
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Arteta isn’t just someone that sits next the Pep hoping some of his knowledge rubs off on him, he has been primed by City to become their manager for a seamless hand over from Pep. Obviously that is looking unlikely and all City’s hard work with him will be to Arsenals benefit.
Understand those saying Arsenal need discipline but would that really mean the same old tired names? Emery was an established manager who struck me as someone that instilled discipline but that didn’t work. Why not take a chance on a young manager with modern, forward thinking ideas? If every team just went for the usual establishment then we would never have managers like Nagelsmann or ten Hag, or even Klopp at BvB or Pep at Barca.
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Threeps, the problem with that argument is that for every young manager given a chance and become one of the greatest managers in football history (Klopp, Pep) there are thousands upon thousands who are, too, given a job just because they were a big name and fell flat on their face. Neville, Seedorf, Ince, De Boer to name just a few.
As stated previously, there are also many examples of amazing assistants who worked under some of the finest managers the game has seen whose careers died after their first management job (Querioz, Meulensteen etc).
Nobody’s saying they should be going for an older manager but the names you mentioned like Ten Hag and Nagelsmann would surely jump at the chance to join Arsenal and they’ve at least proven they have what it takes to manage a club.
I never understand why people use the argument that “it worked for Pep so why wouldn’t it work for [insert club legend]”, conveniently ignoring all the other managers who failed miserably when getting a big job with no experience of being a manager.
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I think there is a right time and circumstance for giving someone like Arteta a chance. Had he been taking over from Pep at a perfectly functioning well-oiled Cuties side where he can just keep things going and gradually start bringing in his own ideas, I’d get it. City can afford a risk like that as they have the players to pull them through all but the hardest of challenges if Arteta wasn’t quite up to the job.
Arsenal don’t have that luxury and are in a much more precarious position.
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As I mentioned, Arteta isn’t just walking into a job with no clue other than being an ex player, and he isn’t just sitting next to Pep or the guy that puts the cones out, those arguments are ignorant at best. He is or has been primed to take a top managers job, and is hugely regarded by City.
Whatever people think of City behind the scenes they are a very, probably the best, run team in the country. They have a grand plan and everyday work towards that, as opposed to other teams that just use the scatter gun approach to appointing a manager. “He’s experienced, he’s managed 20 clubs before, let appoint him” and then in 2 years appoint another and so forth…
You only have to look at Utd to see what going for the established every couple of years achieves.
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Dunno Sweddy Eddy, would the likes of Ten Hag and Nagelsmann jump at the chance to leave their current clubs for Arsenal? I’m not too sure they would. Arsenal might be “bigger” on paper than the clubs they’re currently at but would think right now, on the pitch, it would be a sideways step at best. Going from CL clubs to a club who are going to struggle for EL football next year, let alone CL.
Absolutely believe the Toffeemen have come out of this better off than the Goonies will, at least for the next 18 months or so.
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But by the same token, you also only have to look at Utd to realise that a nostalgic appointment, whilst admirable, is risky. Utd are no better off now under a former club legend than under the tried and tested journeymen managers. Arguably, we’ve fallen further behind.
Also, the argument that City are the best run club in the country and Arteta is highly regarded, I agree with, but I don’t see that it minimises the risk in any way. The exact same thing was said of all Ferguson’s assistants who were at the best run club (at the time) and hugely respected working under arguably the greatest manager to have graced the game. Not one had the career people predicted.
It could well be a master stroke, but it’s a massive, massive gamble nonetheless.
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I can only speculate Chucky but I’d hazard a guess that Ten Hag is paid peanuts compared to what Arsenal would pay him. I’d imagine the same with Nagelsmann. So, you might be right but the point was a wider one with those two just obvious examples. The point being that there are young, forward thinking managers out there who at least have managed a club before and proved they have something about them
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You only have to look at Brendan Rodgers Chucky. Was happy winning titles every year and getting into the CL was pretty straight forward. Yet, he was happy to give that up for a club with much less chance of CL football. I realise the Bundesliga and (to a degree) the Dutch league are higher in profile than the SPL but the CL to EL point is the same
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Guess we’ll never know cyber chum, as it looks like neither was even asked… 🙂
(Although I would say Celtic was much further down the food-chain than Ajax or Red-Bull, it would be hard not to step up from the SPL!!!)
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Every appointment is a risk, be it a 32 year old with only reserve team management or someone thats won the lot in different countries. If I were an Arsenal fan I’d be more excited about someone like Artera with hopefully modern and progressive ideas than someone who is perhaps stubbornly stuck in his old ways.
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Clearly Arteta is a risk but Managers like Ten Hag and Nagelsmann would be a risk too with their limited knowledge of the PL, seemingly Allegri wants to wait until the Summer , he can’t speak English and Arsenal desperately need a Head Coach now. Carlo looked like a safe pair of hands to me for a couple of seasons at leasy but he was probably seen as a bit of a yesterday’s man.
No easy solutions but perhaps Arsenal should have had a clearer idea as to who they wanted to appoint before sacking Emery.
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Let’s all hope (sorry Steveo) that it’s a terrible decision either way ?
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frankly im nervous whoever we appoint even if Pep or Klopp suddenly claim due to how we are run and the current state of the squad, who ever comes in would need a chance, as for Arteta, yes he played for us but was never considered a club lengend and was a little bit Marmite with the fans, if he is anyones ex playing legend it would have to be Everton
Brian Blue, youve said a few times you think the City succession will be done better and likely the club have the next man prepped and ready to go after Pep, did you mean Arteta with this or have someone else in mind? If Arteta because the club has been truly prepping him then it could be a very good idea and maybe why city are allegedly furious with us going for him and saying we will need to pay a price in the millions…if true maybe it shows how highly they rate him and if so maybe we all should to?!we need this sorted and i really thought it would have been already, but the club just keeps finding new ways to let us fans down
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no offence taken lads so no need to apologise its a shit show at the minute and if it was someone elses club especially the spuds id be full of glee! i think its natural!
Eddy maybe yoou should insert a link to AFC TV, im sure that alone would be comedy gold! Maybe a section for the Wenger out days too for a proper giggle!
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I was thinking about that “legend” angle, I went a goggling and discovered he played 170 times in 5 seasons for the Toffee’s and 110 times in 6 seasons for the Goonies, that’s less than 20 games a season…certainly not a Goonie legend in my eyes (but then, who is? Anybody daft enough to pull on that shirt is a plumsack! 😉 )
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Oh, it’s only Sweddy Eddy who’s apologizing… 🙂
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yive got nothing to apologiise for nancy, you have enough going on in your life, pesky cats stealing your chair, being a spud lover, suddenly loving Maureen and not being even a little bit 2 faced over that, its a tough ol life! but on the upside the new PM really is a fox!
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