Another one bites the dust- Ten Hag sacked

[Editor]

I haven’t said it’s one or the other Sean. I said both can be true. It needn’t be wholly one or the other side. I wrote this further up

There seems to only ever be 2 camps. You’re either on the side of blaming all the managers. It’s all their fault. Or you’re on the side of the managers being blameless and the fault lying with the players. Both can be true.

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[Editor]

At the end of the day, amiron has won one league and cup in his homeland and is now taking over probably the biggest club in the world

It’s double that Sean 😅. For a side who hasn’t won the league in something like 20 years. It’s a huge step up though and many before him with better CVs have failed so the odds are against him but I’m just hoping for now to enjoy watching us play again.

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[sean the sailor]

Fair enough ed, lets see how he gets on.

Everything you are saying about this guy is what we discussed when eth came in. The club will be to big for him just like it was for eth who started y absolute bollix 12 months sgo. Biggest job in world football and i do agree that utd missed a trick with tuchel. You said tuchel was the beat option so would you have taken him over (if available )amirom who we will y know was always available as he had abuyout clause? Tuchel has managed big clubs and brings big trophies. Amirom
Will be expectrd to bring the league. Will be giving time?

Also y no were near chelseas but eth was hugely backed and so will this guy. Utd are still massive massive spenders . Recruitment has been dreadful again in their summer. I just dont get some of the excuses in trying to defend the club. Liverpool were the same. It went on for decades.

dont buy this top class backroom staff. Who exactly? Ashworth and wilcox? Did they let eth buy zirzkee who is clearly a number ten not needed? Then as you suggest they signed ugarte but he was not eth plans?

Ineos move quickly? There is absolutely no-one else to choose from only amiron.likr there is nobody and this is some great scoop by ineos cause its done quickly. Theminute eth was sacked this lads name was mentioned .ineos have brought so much negative noise slresdy in their tenure.

Its like utd fans bigging up mediocre players like martinez etc. ye always room for optimism but get with reality. Its exactly like liverpool. Years of getting so many things wrong on and off the pitch and im just been honest, i dont see anything chabging with utds new structure or manager for another while yet

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[CM]

Tuchel wasn’t the best option. United need stability, Tuchel doesn’t offer that. If some players thought ETH was tough on them, Tuchel is on a different level.

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[sean the sailor]

Ye but ed said tuchel was the best option but now says he wouldnt take him

Theres no stability at utd in anyway cm. Jasnt been for 11 years and un two years time we be having the same conversation

Utd have accepted mediocrity now. Bigging ip aberage players like de ligt and martinez. Same with maguire years ago. Fa cup and 8th place finishes seem to be accepted

This is the biggest club in the world. It should be challenging ever year but the same conversations and excuses pop every couple ofyears. It’s exactly like liverpool

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[sean the sailor]

Also on slot, everyone wa and i still am expecting a drop off but having a go at him for not buying players is gas. Ye we might lose all these players and absolutely nobody the real world is going over board with start.

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[CM]

It is a poison chalice position now Sean.

United have only had 2 good managers in their entire history, although both ran the club for 50 years combined. The rest of the time, United were lingering midtable or had a few seasons challenging, winning a few tinpots here and there. That’s where the club is now.

There isn’t any realistic big characters available to fix this. Whilst at Chelsea, Tuchel did not once challenge for the title. He would have been a disaster at United.

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[sean the sailor]

No fair comments cm.

Im writing this lad off before he even starts which is unfair

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[Editor]

Fair enough ed, lets see how he gets on.

Yeah not sure what else we can do Sean. I’m not sure what you want me to say? Should I be super negative about everything Utd do in the hope to be proven wrong and then at least be happy to be proven wrong?

Everything you are saying about this guy is what we discussed when eth came in. The club will be to big for him just like it was for eth who started y absolute bollix 12 months sgo. Biggest job in world football and i do agree that utd missed a trick with tuchel. You said tuchel was the beat option so would you have taken him over (if available )amirom who we will y know was always available as he had abuyout clause? Tuchel has managed big clubs and brings big trophies. Amirom
Will be expectrd to bring the league. Will be giving time?

I have been very clear that I didn’t want Tuchel. That I then came around to the idea as I conceded he might have been the best of a bad bunch at the time the likes of McKenna and Poch were being discussed was exactly that. I’d have gotten behind him regardless, as always. I’m glad in the end that we didn’t get him. I think he suits the England job better anyway. He’d have fallen out with everyone.

Also y no were near chelseas but eth was hugely backed and so will this guy. Utd are still massive massive spenders . Recruitment has been dreadful again in their summer. I just dont get some of the excuses in trying to defend the club. Liverpool were the same. It went on for decades.

What defending are you talking about? The club have been an absolute shambles for years with awful spending. Find me a Utd fan who disagrees and I’ll give you a prize. You’re writing the summer spending off already? Yoro has played what, 1 game? Ugarte hardly played. De Ligt has been good. Way too early to write off the summer signings after 10 games don’t you think? It feels like you’re having a go at me refusing to write off our signings after 10 games. Why would I?

dont buy this top class backroom staff. Who exactly? Ashworth and wilcox? Did they let eth buy zirzkee who is clearly a number ten not needed? Then as you suggest they signed ugarte but he was not eth plans?

You don’t have to buy it Sean if you don’t want. But considering the structrue we had in place before the summer consisting of John Murtough and the likes, yes the current one is a huge step up. Wilcox has a very good reputation from being at City then Southampton and Ashworth is very highly rated which is why Newcastle were desperate to keep him. Fine if you disagree.

Ineos move quickly? There is absolutely no-one else to choose from only amiron.likr there is nobody and this is some great scoop by ineos cause its done quickly. Theminute eth was sacked this lads name was mentioned .ineos have brought so much negative noise slresdy in their tenure.

What are you talking about now Sean? Are you referring to me saying about how this was announced out of the blue? It was. People were talking about Southgate FFS. Utd had a massive problem with things leaking to the press before but this was announced by Ornstein when it looked like there was no clear favourite. I get why that’s not a big deal if you’re not familiar with how Utd have handled situations like this in the past but it is a big change.

Its like utd fans bigging up mediocre players like martinez etc. ye always room for optimism but get with reality. Its exactly like liverpool. Years of getting so many things wrong on and off the pitch and im just been honest, i dont see anything chabging with utds new structure or manager for another while yet

You had him in your team of the season after his first season Sean! Pep said he was in the top 5 CBs in the world. He’s been average so far this season and rightly been criticised for it. What are we supposed to do? Start getting on his back about it? No worries at all if you don’t see anything changing at Utd. Why would you? I honestly don’t know what you expect Utd fans to do? See all the changes and just start moaning that nothing will change so why bother caring?

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[Editor]

There isn’t any realistic big characters available to fix this. Whilst at Chelsea, Tuchel did not once challenge for the title. He would have been a disaster at United.

Exactly this CM. I’d have reluctantly taken him at Utd looking at the options available at the time but I don’t get this clamour by other fans to push the likes of Tuchel or Conte onto us as though we should depserately want them yet nobody else wants them at their own club. It’s bizarre.

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[Alfie_1]

I’d be delighted with Amorim, he has turned Sporting around and built a great team there (in fact, due to the players they end up selling each summer he has built a great team each season there). There is a worry about bringing in a Xavi or a Zidane in that they have inherited teams. We need a manager who can build something.

I think Amorim would lift the club’s mood, it’s a positive feeling now and that can only be good. Whether he is good enough will be seen in the next few years. ETH started clearing out the deadwood and Amorim needs to finish that. Lindelof should leave on a free at the end of the season, Anthony should be shipped out to whoever takes him, same for Rashford. Maguire should move on. See if he can fit Zirkzee, Mount etc in the squad and bring in players to compliment his formation.

No manager would really fit the bill, but there is a feeling of positivity around the club now ETH has gone and we need to build on that.

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[sean the sailor]

Ed, we discussed martinez before. I think utd fans big him up when hes been distinctly average. He had 4 good months. Was rubbish at start of last season as shown by goals conceded v spurs and brighton. Hes been awful this season.

De ligt has been awful ed. You have proven my point bigtime there. An average player over hyped. How many goals have you utd conceded since he came in? Awful againest spurs, awful v liverpool (and utd fans actually thought he was good is maddness) conceded 3 goals, awful v porto. That’s exactly what im talking about. How can you say he has been good.

Amiron wad available when you said tuchel was the best option. Everyone knew he had a buy out clause

No i get you. Ive gone slightly overboard in some parts of previous posts lol with some parts but i stand by bigging up average players and there is still something rotten at that club

But alfie and you are right. You have to be optimistic. I dont think anything will change but lets wait and see

You will get a bounce alright

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[Editor]

Sean, you picked Martinez out of EVERY SINGLE DEFENDER in the league to be in your team of the season and have a go at Utd fans for rating him?! De Ligt hasn’t been awful at all. The guy’s started 6 games in the league and you’e suggesting we should be writing him off already. Honestly, if we were all as critical as you seem insistent on us being, you’d be moaning that we’re too pessimistic. Why do you get so invested in what we think about our club and players? I honestly don’t get it. Liverpool fans rate Darwin Nunez which I don’t particularly get but I don’t get why I would care about it like you seem to care so much about my feelings about Utd. You’re welcome to your opinion Sean and it’s always good to hear your opinions. It’s just a genuine question about why it bothers you so much.

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[sean the sailor]

You said de ligt had been good ed!

He clearly hasnt. I dont rate him. Conceded goals over 11 goals in 6 games. Hes been shocking. Ok fair enough mate. Im just having a discussion. Its a forum. Its football, wont mention utd again as i care to much 😜

All good mate. Have a great weekend

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[threeps]

So anyone have a guess what his preferred line up will be? Seems he’s always been a 343 kinda guy, low block, strong press and counter attack. Where Ford thatvlrave Fernandes, Mount and Zirkee?

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[Editor]

I think he has Sean. I rate him despite some mistakes. No worries at all that you disagree. More than welcome to talk about Utd Sean. Always welcome different opinions. You too, have a good one.

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[sean the sailor]

On martinez ed, didnt we discuss this before? Not sure i had him my team of the season but happy to be proved wring but as i said he had 4 good months was injured after carling cup final then was poor at stsrt of last season and terrible this season

Its just my opinion in de ligt and mateinez. Just bizarre how you can say de ligt has been good. Did you watch spurs, porto and liverpool ganes? Nine goals conceded and he was awful for some of them

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[Editor]

Threeps, his Sporting side had the 4th highest defensive line in Europe supposedly so I’d be surprised to see a low block. I think it’s wing back where we’re weakest. I think we’re ok for CBs and midfielders and even have decent depth in the forward positions. Garnacho I’m not sure where he fits. I think Amad could get more game time as one of the 10s alongside Bruno possibly

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[sean the sailor]

Sorry just saw your post on de ligt. We see how he ends up ed mate

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[Editor]

Here it was Sean. Ironically, I didn’t have him in mine 😆

PL Team of the Season nominees

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