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According to the site below-
Manchester United had a 100k net spend the 1st 5 years of the PL era.
The same site states the following during the same period-
Newcastle 37m net
Blackburn 39m net
Arsenal 35m net
Everton 30m net
Liverpool 25m net
Manchester City 12m netIf you go by inflation – Roy Keane who cost 3.75m and Duncan Ferguson who cost 4m would cost 80m today according to many, which is roughly 20 times more.
100,000 x 20 = 2m in today’s market.
Sir Alex Ferguson delivered 4 league titles in those 1st 5 years, only time he didn’t deliver was when Jack Walker Blackburn won it in 95.
Different eras, but what Pep spent during his 1st 15 months in charge, no other club besides from Chelsea recently has come close to, I believe he spent 450m. He improved a side that already had the likes of Kompany, Fernandinho, Silva, De Bruyne, Aguero, Sterling and others.
Ferguson had to rebuild from the ground up. Pep had the structure and finances in place.
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If some are going to mention the Veron fee from 2001 and Rio fee in 2002. Ferguson had the right to go out and spend that. He single handedly put that club in a position to do that. Without him and the success he brought to that club the previous decade, United would not have generated the funds to do that.
United, Liverpool and Arsenal success will always be because of the legacy left from managers. City will be down to someone from the middle east. Without him, there would be no Pep at City.
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Maybe of interest too gents?
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Liverpool is typically referenced as an example of a club bound by financial imperative and is predictably namechecked by Smith in his comments.
Although they are never perceived as much, when you examine its transfer activity compared to Manchester City the two clubs’ dealings are strikingly similar.
Far fetched as it comes.
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Personally I don’t care so much if a club spends billions, it’s where the money comes from.
Utd did spend an absolute huge amount but they managed to tap in commercially to the start of the Premier league with a squad of generational youngsters. It was a perfect storm for them. They have traditionally always been a huge well supported club too.
The enquiry is still ongoing but let’s be honest, City have cheated their way to wealth. They got away on a technicality last time but could not prove to anyone they were innocent. Any success they had or continue to have should have an asterisk next to it.
It’s like going on football manager editor and giving yourself unlimited funds. Now you have zero financial risk when buying a player. Doesn’t work out? Just replace him with another 50m player next time. Player or manager not interested? Pay him twice as much as anyone else , just don’t put all of it on the payroll!
City are financially doped and have brought the game into disrepute. They have shown zero respect for anyone else in their obscene quest for glory. All in the name of sportswashing which sadly has with the aid of unprecedented success brainwashed the Man City faithful.
And please I know it makes debates easy but stop going on about “net spend”. Football transfers is never as simple as made out on here. Look at wages, agent fees, parent fees, offshore payments, signing on fees, doped sponsorship payments, bonuses…
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Spot on in your last paragraph Threeps. I think there are times when net spend is worthwhile looking at. For example, Southampton down the years who have always had to sell their best players which, in turn, means having to replace them is always going to mean their gross spend will be higher than teams around and above them. It wouldn’t be fair to judge them on gross spend alone as they’ve been forced into the market. The likes of City stockpiling young players and selling them to enable them to spend more is not the same. Net spend also doesn’t take into account things like the unprecedented agent fee involved in the Haalaand deal nor does it take into account the vast sums of money paid into improving the facilities at City, all factors taken into account when a player is deciding which club to join. If a player has 2 choices for the same amount of money and 1 has spent hundreds of millions on state of the art modern facilities,the player will obviously choose that club. That also enables the club to have a lower net spend. What a club has spent is such a complex formula because there are so many variables that are more or less relevant depending on each scenario. All too often, these variables are cherry picked to suit an argument. What can’t be argued is that only Saudi Arabia canvompete going forward with Abu Dhabi in terms of financial might. Shouting about net spend is missing the point completely.
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Come on Adders… scrapping the barrel a bit there… Abu Dhabi “forced” to sell 3 of their 6 million players as they were in the last year of their contract? Luckily (for your net spend nonsense) you managed to get the Jammy Dodgers to write a huge check for Sterling and Pepe’s Bitch at the Goon Show to write you a couple more… what a load of nonsense…
3p’s has bascially covered it all in his post… Abu Dhabi have cheated their way to the top and pretty much ruined English football in the process for everybody who isn’t riding that wave of sportswashing success.
There is no defence of it, either morally or technically…
It’s a pity money can’t buy respect!
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Nicely put. This net spend argument has only come about within the last 5 years. I cannot remember it ever being mentioned when Ferguson was in charge or during Peps 1st couple of years in charge of City.
In modern day football, the only club who could use the net spend argument is Liverpool due to their sell to buy policy.
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Just to prove I’m an equal opportunities insulter 🙂 I will point out the Micky Mousers have the 10th highest net spend in Europe since the Abu Dhabi’s started their sportswashing campaign… hardly paupers!
(But I will also point out it’s roughly a third of Abu Dhabi’s wedge!)
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I read Gundogen has 2 months or so left on his contract; will he be snapped up? Silva, Walker and La Porte also rumoured to be leaving.
Interesting times lie ahead. If we’re already wanting to predict for next season, then it’s gonna be a lot tighter than this season just gone.
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New PL fixtures announced June 15th
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Well the question would be whether those individuals have already peaked and whether or not they’ll able to inject freshness in themselves and reboot ala the examples of Sterling and Jesus, 28 and 26 respectively.
We’ve been blessed to get 5 good years out of Mo. Sadio joined us 2016, Firmino 2015, all these guys ultimately have a shelf-life.
City built foundations and have topped/stockpiled/replaced players well where needed. Money does play a part, but it’s also the right place at the right time.
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Don’t be daft, Nil, as they’ve only got a year left Abu Dhabi will be “forced” to sell them and PepeII has already got his check book out…
Joking aside, got to be looking at 40/50 mil each for Silva & La Porte… Walker, not a lot due to his age… maybe 5 mill?
They’ll just go out and buy some more, cyber chum, that’s what they do!
Long way to go in the silly season, for sure, but unless Pepe leaves, don’t see anybody actually challanging (pretending to until about March perhaps, if somebody gets off to a flyer)… but not come May!
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Beejay, you have to have faith and belief in your own players first mate 🙂 That’s your starting point. Plus, you can sign players too. They don’t necessarily all have to be from Harrods!!
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Did you watch my Spuds at all this season?? Got more faith in a wet paper bag than that lot… 🙂
Apart from Harry banging in 30 goals, none of them are worth talking about.
I was playing that “keep/bench/sell” game with my kid and it was a struggle… a perfect example about my team would be the simple question of who was better this season than last season and the nearest I could come up with was Royal, FFS!! Every other player bar those two had considerably shittier seasons than last season… the whole team regressed…
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:-D, mate you are not throwing in any towels; need you guys to help do a double over City haha. You can really get your guys together and play like world beaters one week, then another week, it’s just collapse.
That’s what we need to work on 🙂
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Regarding big money being spent, regardless of that I think some teams would still dominate (as they always have done) but that has tended to be more about the manager and all the right structures at the club. A big part of Fergie dominating over his era was him changing the culture at the club to be more professional. We had to wait until Arsene Wenger changed the culture at Arsenal before any other club consistently challenged them, but I wouldn’t say they spent a fortune to get there. But then when Abramovich came in it completely distorted the landscape meaning that you suddenly did need big money to compete because of the wages then being offered and the inflatory effect that had. Great for the players and rich clubs, but a lot less so for everyone else. All greed really, and the fans are ultimately complicit in it. Yet when the super league was touted to make things unfair too, they suddenly decided to protest. Bizarre really.
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And in 1 post, Silly-Willy-Nilly just summerized football… 🙂
Bring back Ozzie, I say, as least we’ll all be laughing as the ship is sinking…
As for a Super-Double-Duper League, I’m also starting to think they should just all bugger-off and relocate to the ME… no rules, do what you like, and leave the rest of us alone!
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You know what, Mikus, part of me is starting to think maybe the Septic Tanks have the right idea with salary caps etc… seems the only way to get some degree of a level playing field back.
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Beejay, I can’t be responsible for you guys losing 14 league matches mate.
Standards have improved in other ways and ‘Sky 4’ lark long gone and Thank Goodness.
There is competitiveness Greater Than Ever.
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