'All or Nothing'

[Big Jim]

Spoke to my United supporting neighbour across our drives after work for the first time since back from hols. Nice fella! First thing he says to me is, have you been watching all or nothing? No I tell him, not yet. Compulsive viewing for any football fan he tells me! Just watched first three episodes. I think hes right.

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[Big Jim]

By the way CM your stats must relate to the program that contains the derby. United certainly arnt mentioned if at all in the other programs I’ve watched so far. Judge it after you have watched it. It’s good viewing, imo so far it’s been very fair and says it as it is giving credit to everyone including United on their achievements. Imo its an interesting insight into a premier league club and coach. Cheers Jim

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[Editor]

Jim, I’ve not seen it but will probably try to watch it. I’ve just read, though, that the narrator at one point says “Guardiola versus Mourinho… attacking football versus Park-the-bus”. If so, I can now understand Mourinho’s anger somewhat.

People might not like the man but it seems incredibly unnecessary to have a cheap dig like that. Mourinho himself lacks class, so is not one to speak about the subject but those kind of digs would wind anyone up.

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[Big Jim]

In fairness Ed, I do recall something like that but I think the narrator isnt offering an opinion he is is quoting or reporting what is widely regarded. Is it a cheap dig or is it a style of play that is associated with Mouriniho and a style that he chooses to play. You can’t tell me that with the money spent he couldn’t play more attractive football. Other teams with much smaller budgets than United and Mouriniho in the league play more expansive football than United. And isnt it what many United fans are also saying? Can I also add that City didnt write the script, Amazon did, and that kind of thing has been widely reported in the tabloids for months. To be honest I have no sympathy with the man on this issue and I doubt many football fans of other teams have either. Sorry but he is the architect of his own downfall. That aside I do find it interesting and an insight, I would watch a similar type programe on United Liverpool or Spurs etc. Jim

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Don’t get me wrong Jim. Utd are far too cautious in the big away games and could easily play more entertaining football. But highlighting your rival’s flaws in a documentary about City just seems a bit tasteless to me. Just because there’s some truth in something doesn’t mean it’s not mocking to say it. Amazon had editorial control but City had veto rights over any content so they could have prevented it being said. Source https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/08/15/manchester-city-mock-jose-mourinho-defensive-coach-amazon-documentary/

It’s clearly a dig at Mourinho, which I just feel was unnecessary in what otherwise seems like an interesting watch. I can at least understand what he’s referring to now. Previously, I thought he was just having a general dig at City for doing the programme. If you ask me, neither have come out of the whole thing smelling of roses.

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[Editor]

Just to add, I think City have generally shown a lot of class previously in things relating to Utd such as Munich tributes and well wishes to Sir Alex etc. Also, it’s obviously not that big of a deal what was said. I just think it would have been better left unsaid.

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[Big Jim]

Well we are going to have to agree to dissagree on this one Ed. As I said it’s nothing new. Its been reported that his style was that way for months by all and sundry and if Amazon want it in why should City want it out to make their rival look better than he is? I have no sympathy. I respect your view as being different to mine, fair enough. but out of interest do you think in a straw poll what % of fans of all clubs would think its an unfair comment to say about Mouriniho. You say he plays that style in the big games, did that include Brighton at the weekend?

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[Editor]

Against Brighton, we didn’t park the bus if that’s what you mean Jim. We were atrocious but the intent to win the game was there. We just weren’t good enough. You don’t get the record for most goals ever in a La Liga season by parking the bus, so I think it’s a very selective comment.

I think around 100% of fans would take the opportunity to have the same dig at Utd, given the chance, to answer your question. The term ABU doesn’t exist for nothing! Still, IMO there’s a certain way clubs should conduct themselves beyond the fans. If Utd (as a club) came out and had a dig at City for the way Pep stuck a finger up at the academy players last season by refusing to name a full bench, it would IMO be unnecessary. But you’d expect the fans to throw mud at each other over things like that.

Happy to disagree Jim. It’s very rare I defend Mourinho, and he’s certainly not blameless in this, but I would have liked my club to have removed that comment had it been the other way around.

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[Big Jim]

Ed, Pogba beeing so deep and ineffective was accidental against Brighton? Im not so sure. LaLiga was a few seasons ago. I would put to you that his style has changed considerably since then and his first spell at Chelsea. Are you trying to say he doesnt park the bus these days. I would sugest The reason why he took umbrage with it is he knows it’s true. It’s not necessarilly a dig at United its a reflection on the way Mouriniho plays.

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[nine nine nine]

I guess it all depends on your pov.

I haven’t seen the Series and only read about what was in the media said but did what was said make the series any better by mocking Mourinho’s alleged style of football or by mocking him for letting De Bruyne go at Chelsea.

In fairness what was said wasn’t down to City as they didn’t have editorial control but what was said was always likely to get a reaction from Mourinho?

Just my opinion but it would have been better unsaid and Mourinho should have laughed it off as being just Amazon Prime and he hadn’t seen it.

Accusing City of having money but not class has just added to it all and has made it much bigger than it would have been imo.

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[Big Jim]

Nine, they didn’t mock Mouriniho over letting KDB go. They interviewed KDB and asked him about his career, he said he thought he was playing ok at Chelsea and was then dropped and didn’t know why. They then played a clip of Mouriniho refusing to respond to Journalists questions at the time about why he had dropped KDB and him walking out of the press conference. KDB said he was young and impulsive and implied he didn’t like being dropped with no explanation and wanted to move. I don’t think you could call it mocking Mouriniho.

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[nine nine nine]

All uneccessary Jim imo as Mourinho letting KDB go at Chelsea when it happened circa 3/4 years previously and had nothing to do with City’s season which was the theme of the Series.

That’s not a criticism of City as they had no editorial control over the content.

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[Big Jim]

So they can’t talk to any player about how he arrived at the club? You do know they dont just talk to KDB don’t you. This is laughable. The programme makers report facts that relate to City and City players. It sounds like you are sugesting they were they only supposed to include facts that made Mouriniho look good? As far as i am concerned he is the architect of his own downfall he excluded and then sold KDB no one else. He plays boring football these days but we are all supposed to pretend he doesnt. He sold one of the best players in the league but we can’t mention it. It seems to me he can dish it out so should be big enough to take it. If there is ever a documentary on Chelsea the last ten years are you sugesting they shouldn’t mention the doctor episode and a myriad other things?

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[nine nine nine]

But Jim it wasn’t a documentary about the last 10 years of City it was a documentary about last season and seemingly it set out to embarrass Mourinho on letting De Bruyne go from Chelsea and becoming a star player at City.

Of course if there was a documentary covering 10 years of Chelsea I would expect it to cover the Caniero incident and numerous other incidents but currently as far as I know there aren’t any such plans.

As I’ve said previously I don’t know why City fans get so wound up about Mourinho when he’s considered by most City fans to be a yesterday Manager and when City are so obviously so far ahead of United now. We all know that Mourinho can be a prize p!um at times and even the most dedicated United fans whether for against him will admit that.

As I said I don’t blame City for the content of the documentary and in fairness to the producers they knew full well that some of the content relating to Mourinho would have been controversial and cause offence to him but it would also get the series much needed media coverage when Mourinho responded to it which is excatky what happened.

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[Big Jim]

Nine, So are you saying they should not have spoken to Aguero, Kompany, Foden, Walker or Mendy and examined how they came to City? All that should have been excluded aswell right?

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[Big Jim]

I don’t get wound up by him, the Ed brought him up in this discussion about his bus tactics and you brought him up about KDB . Not me. He is yesterday’s man for me. These days I look forward to going to Old Trafford. There and been many times I just hoped for the best. You haven’t seen it but I can tell You there are things in there about City and ots fans that I didn’t like and were I think incorrect. So it’s not all blue roses.

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[cm]

Jim- I have not watched the documentary. I don’t have Amazon prime, so will not be able to.

My stat was based from a tweet/facebook post someone sent me through whatsapp. Apparently they totalled up the number of times anything related to United are mentioned and averaged it towards the total time the documentary is. Like I said earlier I don’t know if it is accurate.

Anyway why the veil digs towards United. In the class of 92 documentary, it would have been easy to interview Giggs and talk about why he left Manchester City all those years ago along with a few digs. Yet they didn’t. In the treble winning season documentary, they could have easily mentioned Liverpool, City and other rivals. Yet they didn’t, they solely focused on their own achievements. I remember watching a documentary on sky about Chelsea’s record breaking season in 2005 and Arsenal’s unbeaten season in 2004, their whole focus was on their own achievements, kept any mention of their rivals to a minimal.

I understand this may not have been all to do with City, but someone at City would have approved it. As you say this could be a brilliant watch for the neutrals, yet the media have just made it about what was said about Jose, United and a few others, which put a fair few off imo. Apparently the reason why Pep telling his players that Maguire is slow was put in the documentary was because he was linked to United at the time. That is just attention seeking pettiness if true.

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[Big Jim]

Your stats are wrong, dont believe every red tweet you read CM. Watch it as a football fan I am pretty sure you would find it interesting. Jim

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[Adlab]

I have watched the first episode. Clearly Mourinho had not. Usual diversioary tactics away from HIS team.
Pathetic!

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[nine nine nine]

Jim, to be fair KDB spent circa 4 years in Germany after leaving Chelsea circa twice as long as he did at Chelsea before he came to City and he came to City from Wolfsburg not Chelsea it was an obvious dig at Mourinho imo.

If you don’t think so that’s fine that’s your opinion and we’ll have to agree to disagree. Cheers 999

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