3pm blackout to be lifted?

[threeps]

Along with Hightowns example I’d also suggest the lower clubs might struggle to attract new fans if premier-league games are being shown at the same time. Pop down to Cheltenham with your old man or watch Utd or whoever on tv with your school mates? It could hit the lower teams in a few years.

Over here in DE all Bundesliga games are on either Sky or Dazn no matter what time they kick off. Sky has I think 10 Bundesliga channels. All Bundesliga 2 games too I think and all for only 10eur extra. Nearly all Premier league games are shown no matter what kick off time, if there’s a conflict they just open up one of reserve Sky sports channels tk show it.

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[Luckydestiny]

https://www.bundesliga.com/en/2bundesliga/news/germany-s-second-division-one-of-europe-s-best-attended-leagues-20541

Does showing all the games have a negative effect on attendance in Germany or Spain I wonder. It doesn’t seem to.

No top games are played at 3pm on sat anyway so as long as that doesn’t change the blackout makes no difference, if it does anyway. I mean look at the 3pm offerings tomorrow, Fulham vs Bournemouth and wolves v forest. Whenever it’s 2 top teams it is always at a different time to maximise exposure and audience.

Maybe prem games should all be moved to 12pm or 5pm on saturday and leave the football league have 3pm to itself? 3pm is not important to the prem, tomorrow’s line up testament to that.

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[Brian blue]

I think I am very lucky ….to have seen and watched football in its basic format with thousands of other fans, then money took over and now they say it is progress….that is only true if you do not know the difference!!!!! 3.00 K.O, camaraderie’s with other fans, no betting /gambling/airline/Computer companies name on shirts etc. However, I do accept we have better grounds and facilities
I also think Sundays should be free from football or any sport, there has to be time for “family time” In this frantic world we all need a little space for friendship within families, have a chat/meal together (phones barred)

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[Luckydestiny]

Don’t get me wrong though, I can see how broadcast of all games could lead to decreases in attendances, at least in short term, but it begs the question as to why it has not been a problem in the majority of countries that don’t have a blackout.

Personally I can’t argue against giving people a choice.

Now in Germany everyone has the choice to be an armchair bayern fan and watch their team win year in year out from comfort of living room, but the majority are loyal to their local teams right through the divisions and the attendances are great. If we are scared the same won’t happen here it’s down to our clubs and their treatment of the fans and communities.

The match day experience vs the cost, simple, get it right, get a full house, no matter what is on the box. If a club cant get it right the consequences are clear.

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[Luckydestiny]

When I was a kid a female American basketball pro called missy lender came to my school. She was hired to be player coach for the local team and had a lot of charisma. She told us all that she was going to build a team that would make the Rhondda proud and that special tickets were available for school children.

I went every home game for 2 years as did many of my friends, boys and girls. We had a blast and got behind them they were pretty good. One of the girls on my school even played for them and I fancied her to death 😆

They created a community within a community and got butt’s on seats and out of their seats too. It was a cheap but fun and great while it lasted. But it didn’t come from nothing, they simply got back what they gave at the time. Sure some lads or dads may have preferred to stay home and watch footie while kids at basketball but there is nothing wrong with having a choice, just means fans and support need to be earned and that is perfectly fine by me.

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[nine nine nine]

Perhaps we should shelve this thread until the PL actually decides that it plans to broadcast live 3pm games currently this is merely a proposal from the EFL and that might even not go ahead yet.

The PL wouldn’t get too many takers for tomorrow’s 3 pm ko’s of Fulham v Bournemouth and Wolves v Forest.

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[Luckydestiny]

I don’t think it would even need to be rumoured as a proposal to be worthy of discussion nine.

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[nine nine nine]

We’ve discussed it Lucky and we’re just going around in circles now.

Firstly we need a concrete proposal from the PL to broadcast all games and to understand the cost ramifications of live TV broadcasts for the fans and how those broadcasts might impact on attendances and there’s currently no sign from the PL of that happening or any indication that it might happen.

There’s just a proposal from the EFL that is massively short of details and costings.

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[Luckydestiny]

Yeah that’s fair enough nine but we haven’t been going in circles imo I thought we were getting to heart of it actually.

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[Luckydestiny]

It doesn’t sit right with me at all you see, the idea that people’s choices over something as arbitrary as football should be deliberately limited to manipulate the market. I made some absurd comparisons a few pages back but the blackout itself is absurd to me and the comparisons easy to make.

I don’t fear what happens as a consequence of fans having complete choice over what they watch and how they watch it. Looking forward to it.

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[nine nine nine]

Lucky, if the PL decide that’s the way it goes we will all have something to consider if that’s what happens, if it’s affordable and it doesn’t impact on attendances I will support it but currently we’re just discussing the concept of it purely on the back of the EFL proposal which itself may not even come to fruition.

If the PL go in the direction of broadcasting all games I look forward to discussing a concrete PL proposal with all the details and implications of that including the cost implications for fans which are already high if you take into account the costs of the Sky and BT packages, currently we can’t even do that with the EFL proposal.

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[Luckydestiny]

That’s fair enough nine as I said. As I also said though, it’s when not if in my opinion and I am looking forward to it👍

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[Luckydestiny]

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[nine nine nine]

Lucky, 👍👍👍

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[Luckydestiny]

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[Luckydestiny]

Time to lift the 3pm TV Blackout? What’s the argument to stay or go?

Think this article is spot on. Although as far as I am concerned the data he is looking for is already available in the form of the majority of countries that don’t have blackouts.

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[Brian blue]

I have a solution…maybe ….

All Premier clubs kick off at same time….11.00am Saturday morning…..this also saves floodlights being used and energy saving. It also leaves rest of day to do what you want. However, I guess this is all about TV and armchair fans and TV will get there way

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[Luckydestiny]

Brian, there is something to that mate. If there is a genuine problem with prem games being broadcast at same time lower league games are played, then the solution would be for prem games to be played at a different time to the main programme of games within the football leagues.

I don’t necessarily think it’s a big problem but if it is there are better solutions to the problem than the blackout and its along your lines of thinking I believe.

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[nine nine nine]

Lucky, given the current TV deal runs until the end of the 2024/25 season I can’t see anything happening until after then if it is going to happen really can’t see anything happening next season as per the post you put up.

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[Luckydestiny]

No of course not nine, nothing can be done until at least 2025.

It’s just an article which suggests a trial, but I think the arguments presented in it against the blackout are sound that’s all, and they were what I wanted to highlight.

I don’t agree with the trial part because the data is in from across Europe as far as I am concerned but the author didn’t touch on that.

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